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Snowden to EF(2):Laugh+Too Long" Reaction on Q/A if Mueller Spies Trump not 4 but 20 Years:From 9/11

Written by ACM
Friday, 15 March 2019

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*Strasbourg/CoE/Angelo Marcopolo/- "Too Long", and "did Not get All of it": It's with such Symbolic, Key Words that World Famous American WhistleBlower for Human Rights and Democracy, Edouard Snowden, (After having spontaneously "explosed" with an exceptionally Big Laugh, earlier, when he First Heard about it : See relevant Photo+Video), left "without comment" the Hypothesis that "Special Investigator" Mueller might, perhaps, Continue to Spy on, and "Investigate" even new US President Don Trump, not only during "4 Years" now (2016-2019), but, in fact, as long as ..."20 Years" (See relevant Facts Infra), as "Eurofora" had, provocativelly but factually Questioned in the 2nd of two Queries raised during a Direct Video-Debate at a CoE Conference organized in Strasbourg by French National Assembly's vice-President, MEP Sylvain Waserman, and the experienced Head of CoE's Parliamentary Assembly's Human Rights' Committee, Gunter Schirmer, from Germany, (See f.ex.: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/whistleblowersineuandcoe.html , etc, and for Snowden's full Reply to a Different Question by "Eurofora" on anOther Issue, at: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/snowdenfriendshelpwhistleblowers.html).

But, Facts are Facts, and a Question is Legitimately raised by simply examining the real Situation : Indeed, "Eurofora"s relevant Query to Snowden, had simply asked him if, given his Experience, he found "Not Excluded", that even simple Critics of at least Some Points of the "Official Version" on what really happened during the "9/11" Islamist Terrorist Attacks, (which has notoriously faced Many and Various Kinds of Criticisism, here or there : Including even by German ChristianDemocrat Chancellor Angie Merkel's current Press Spokesman, previously Journalist !), might, eventually, have been routinely Spied upon, by Mr. Robert Mueller's agents, (the Current controversial "Special Investigator" on alleged "Russian Interference" in the 2016 US Elections, in "collusion", or not, with New US President Don Trump), since Mueller was, then, (i.e. Back on 2001+), Head of the FBI.

=> In that case, this might, practically, mean, that POTUS Don Trump would have been, in fact,  "Investigated" (alias "Spied upon") by Mr. Mueller "not only 4 Years" (2016-2019), i.e. since the Latest US Presidential Election, "but during ... 20 Years !", i.e. since 9/11 : 2001-2019, as "Eurofora" had observed earlier in 1 of our 2 Questions to Snowden, obviously highlighting (with an ironic but serious smile) the Absurd character of such a possible situation, if it, eventually, it became true...

>>> Why ? Simply because the current US President has notoriously been, himself, one among the 1st and most Famous Critics of at least 1 Key point in the Official Story on 9/11, particularly because he Strongly Criticized the Way that "World Trade Center"'s Towers' Collapse in a vertical free Fall (which Killed about 3.000 innocent, Civilian People), as he had clearly said and Discussed in Public, then, almost "Live", Commenting at a TV Program, immediately after that Tragic Event, particularly that Strange Way the WTC Towers went Down, one by one, 100% Vertically, withOut falling aSide, and by being Spectacularly Transformed into a strange kind of White Powder, (even from the Top), dispersing around in a kind of "Clouds" of tiny Particles.

In Fact, Trump, (whose Family was dealing with Real Estate Business, HeadQuartered at New York), apparently Suspected that, in Addition to the Initial Shock and Fire provoked by Airplanes Crashed into the Upper Middle-Floors of each WTC Tower, there might have been also some kind of Supplementary, Local Accomplices, who would have intervened (f.ex. by placing Explosives and/or something else, on the doomed Buildings), in order to Completely Destroy them 100%, as it was done in fine.

According to "New York Times", it's about 1.800 People (mainly at Top Floors), who had initially Survived the First Shocks of an Airplane thrown in each WTC big Tower, but Perished atrociously, Afterwards, during the Total Collapse, (Comp. Supra).

+ Moreover, those Strange "White Clouds" of Fine Particles which Suddenly Appeared (even from the very Top) when WTC's Towers started to Collapse many Hours After the Initial Airplanes' Schock, notoriously Provoked various Serious Health Problems to the Civilian Population living around that Manhattan's area, which were, for a Too Long Period, scandalously Ignored or too Downplayed by the Public Auhorities then in charge, who practically Denied, right from the Start, Any serious Risk of Grave Sickness and/or Death, until too Many innocent People started to Fall, Afterwards, Sick (f.ex. from Pulmonary Diseases, various Cancers, etc) and/or Die, even Long After...

Even when "Eurofora"s co-Founder was at New York, back on UNO's landmark 2005 Heads of State/Government's Summit, for the 60th Anniversary of the Internationlal Organisation's Reform, (focused on the Creation of UNO's World Human Rights' Council, at nearby Geneva), i.e. 4 whole Years After 9/11, we were Surprized by the Fact, while Waiting in a Manhattan Church, Near WTC"s "Ground Floor", a suddenly announced venue of USA's State Department's Secretary (Foreign Minister), then Dr. Condoleeza Rice, for a Memorial Event on 9/11's Anniversary, a lot of Local NY Residents, Simple Authentic Civilian People, sitting all around us, were actively engaged in a "Hot" Discussion about various, unusual Healh Problems which had, reportedly, already emerged among the Local Population, (provoking Sufferings or Death)...

=> Nevertheless, it seems that it's mainly just Nowadays, towards the End of February 2019, (i.e. about 18 Years after 9/11), that New US President Don Trump Welcomed a Boost on a Federal Program of Support to 9/11's Victims and their Families, particularly in the domain, precisely, of Health...

However, former "Security" Authorities, including Mr. Mueller's FBI, had reportedly Ignored, or even Denied, from the Beginning, such serious Risks against Human Health, which had been Threatening the Civilian Population of Manhattan's "Bulb" (probably through a Polluted Atmosphere that they had been Obliged to Breath there after WTC's Collapse : Comp. Supra), already Since 9/11, until Recently !

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++ More important, Other Critics had notoriously claimed, already Since 9/11 and Aftewards, that various but converging Early Warning Informations had arrived (particularly from Europe), revealing that Islamist Extermists were reportedly Preparing a Major and Deadly Terrorist Attack, somewhere in the USA, etc, at least Since mid-August 2001 :  I.e. 1 Month Before that Mass Killing of about 3.000 People, mainly at New York, but also at Washington DC and elsewhere, in a Series of coordinated Attacks in just 1 Day, as Never Before in all US' History !

=> So that Mr. Mueller, who took office, at the Head of FBI, on September 4, 2001, (i.e. precisely 1 Week Before 9/11, and almost the Same Days that various strange "Plumbers" had been, reportedly, visiting WTC's Buildings, under pretext to make some unspecified "Maintainance" Fixes, ...shortly before the Metallic Joints of its Structure are Found Weaker than Expected, its Water Spray Mechanisms against Fires in Bad Shape, and a Recent but still Persisting Ban of Helicopter Flying, added to a Blockade of WTC's Emergency Exits to their Flat Tops for evenual Rescue, which practically Condemned some 1.200 more "Trapped" People to Death, according to "NYT" and other mainstream US Newsmedias), should not be A Priori dismissed from any legitimate Suspicion of Wrong-doing during all this Crucial period of Time...

 A Fortiori when :

- Astonishingly, Mr Mueller, even after many Years at FBI's Direction, proved Unable to Find ...not even 1 alive Suspect for any kind of possible Local Complicity to the Mass Killings of about 3.000 People inside the USA on 9/11 ;

- Republican former US President GWBush had allowed 3 Independent Enquiries on that Controversial Issue of WTC's strange Implosion at 9/11 (Comp. Supra): By US Congress (Late 2001), USA's Architects (2002), and NIST's Federal Experts (2005).  But "Socialist/Liberal" Dems' former US President Barack Hussein Obama, on the Contrary, did Not let Any such Investigation on Any aspect of 9/11 during 2 Mandates in Office. Instead, even the Wife of a Killed Senior Officer in a Big Insurance Corporation HQ in Chicago, who had naively tried to meet Obama shortly after his Election, in order to ask for a New Enquiry on WTC's strange Implosion, and who was Leader of an NGO of 9/11 Victims' Families, was ...Killed at a strange Airplane Crash, immediately after meeting Obama !

=> Thus, IF New US President Don Trump, eventually Decided, later-on (f.ex. during 2018 - 2020), to Launch a brand New, Independent and Efficient Investigation on what really happened on 9/11, and whether there are any Unpunished Complicities, Scandalous Blunders and/or Inactions, Ommissions etc., given all the Above-mentioned Facts, very probably, Mr Mueller might Not be so Happy from the Results... So, ...Better keep Investigating on Trump, his Friends, all his Staff, and his Family, (Prosecuting and  ImPrisoning several among them, even for Unrelated petty matters Dating More than a Decade in the Past, when they hadn't even met Trump yet, and/or Threaten him, in Parallel, with "Impeachment", etc., under various Fallacious Pretexts), instead of Letting the new, Democraticaly Elected US President Free to ask himself to Investigate what he may Believe Good for the General Interest  !

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- Mr. Mueller Worked much More under "Socialist/Liberal" Dems' Barack Hussein Obama's Presidency, than under Republican GWBush's term in office, (3,5 Years with the Republicans, against 5 Years with the "Socialists/Liberal" Dems);

- He remained in charge of the FBI during all that Period of enactement and use of that System of secret Mass Surveillance of Millions of UnWarned Citizens, that Snowden dared Denounce in Public since June 2013. Mr. Mueller was Dismissed, and obliged to Leave FBI almost Immediately After that Scandal's revelation Spreads Worldwide, on September 4, 2013 ;

- Finally, Mr. Mueller was chosen and Hired, as "Special Investigator" of alleged Russian interference in the US Presidential Election" of 2016, won by Don Trump, after a relevant Decision taken by controversial US Deputy Attorney General Rud Rosenstein, ...who Owes himself a Service to Mueller for having given him the 1st Jobs in his Life, at the Attorney General's Offices, in the Past : I.e. an obvious Conflict of Interests and Exchange of personal Favours !  

(Rosenstein himself has been Denounced, recently, for having reportedly, planned, during Obama's era, to Spy on Trump since 2015, and to have considered, later-on, to push Trump out of the White House under Amendment 25, i.e. as unfit for that jobn ! Recently, Rosenstein was reportedly ready to Resign asap. on Spring 2019).

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+ Meanwhile, by a Surprizing Coincidence, US President Don Trump himself, has just taken the Initiative, exactly ...this Same Day that "Eurofora" Questioned Snowden about an eventually "Too Long" Period of "Investigations" on Trump by the FBI a.o., including by Mr. Mueller himself, (Comp. Supra), to Strongly Denounce, indeed, a Longer than expected Spying/Investigation against him, which would have Started Not from 2017 (Official Apointment of Mueller), neither from 2016 (US Presidential Elections), but, already from Earlier : ... 2015, (full Obama Administration and Primaries for the Presidential Election), while also being too Controversial and even "illegal", as he criticizes !

-  Indeed, it's on "March 15" that Trump tweeted about <<"New Evidence" revealing "that the Obama era team of the FBI, DOJ & CIA were working together to Spy on (and take out) President Trump, all the way Back in 2015>>, (i.e. Already Before the US Presidential Election). "Then, the Special Counsel (Mueller) should Never have been Appointed (on 2017), and there should be No Mueller Report", Don Trump points out. Indeed, "This was an illegal & Conflicted Investigation (i.e. full of "Conflicts of Interest" : Comp. also Supra) in Search of a crime. Russian Collusion (Hypothesis) was nothing more than an Excuse by the Democrats for Losing an Election that they thought they were going to win... THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN TO A PRESIDENT AGAIN!"

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- Meanwhile, however, Mueller's probe has reportedly brought, until recently, about 200 Criminal Charges, 39 Indictments/Guilty Pleas, and 4 Prison Sentences. + More are already in the Pipeline, or risk to appear asap.

But the Heaviest Cases are ...totaly UnRelated to Mueller's Legal Mandate on alleged collusion with Russian Interference in 2016 US Elections :

- F.ex., Paul Manafort, former Trump's Chief Campaigner's main condemnation to Prison concerns simply ...Tax avoidance accusations, allegedly Committed almost ... a Decade Before he Started to work with Trump, and involve Ukrania's internal politics.

+ Even More UnExpected, the main Charges against General Michael Flynn, a former Trumps' Advisor, do Not concern Russia, but ...Turkey !

Indeed, he, and his Business Partner, Bijan Kian, who was arrested, face accusations for Conspiracy to illegally Lobby the US Government for the sake of Foreigners, by secretly serving the Turkish Government's attempts to Change USA's Policy on self-exiled Dissident Gulen, as Ankara Paid them a sum of Money in order to seek his Extradition...

++ Similar Controversial Methods as against Manafort (Comp. Supra) were abused also by Mr. Mueller against Trump's former Lawyer, Michael Cohen : He was Harasssed and Convicted, asking Years in Jail, merely for totaly UnRelated to 2016 Elections' Russian Interference allegations, most of them committed much Earlier in the Past, (including, f.ex., Tax Fraud, Campaign Funds' Irregularities, etc).

And once Cohen had been seriously "Cornered" and sentenced to Prison with Unrelated Convictions, he was suddenly Pushed to prolonge his Testimony on the Date that Trump droped a Project in Moscow, from January to June 2016, (i.e., at any case, Before his Nomination as GOP's Candidate).


+++ Recently was Added also Roger Stone, a former Trump Campaign Agent, who was accused by Mueller for allegedly "False and Misleading" testimony on his suspected Contacts with ..."Wikileaks", after it became known that the International Organisation of World Famous "Whistle-Blower" Assange, already had many Hillary's hidden E-Mails... I.e. a Strange Accusation, from a Democracy point of view, as if Stone was Accused to Help Reveal to the Peuple the Truth !

Other indictments, (and 3 out of 4 Prison Sentences) concern Minor, almost Tiny matters:  

- As, f.ex., allegedly Inaccurate Statements made by a Greek and a Dutch Foreigners (Papadopoulos and Van der Zwaan), Merely about the exact Timing (sic !) of some among their lawful Contacts.

- Or a Latino Web Seller of Bank Accounts' Numbers, allowing to Hide Real Identities at the Internet : Mr. Pinedo at California, who is totally UnRelated to Trump !...

+ Last Year was also indicted Samuel Patton, an Independent Long-Time Lobbyist at Wash. D.C., accused to have allegedly helped an Ukranian Businessman to buy Tickets for Trump's Inauguration Events, and to have Not yet Declared Officially that he was Working also for Foreigners, (an Ommission which is, reportedly found in Many Lobbyists)...

Now, How "Russians" might "Interfere in US Elections", through Ukranian Businessmen appearing  ...AFTER those Elections have ended (Comp. Supra), ...

 ... it's only Mr. Mueller's "Genius" which could tell us !                   


  - Finally, as, obviously, it could not exist a "collusion" with "Russian Interference", withOut any Russian being involved, Mr. Mueller strived to Find at least one (1) alleged "Russian" with some Relation (as Small as it might be) with some People around Trump :

- Thus, he Found "KK", (alias : Konstantin Kilimnik"), a Young Ukranian speaking Russian, reportedly suspected for alleged relations with Moscow's Secret Services, and former occasional Collaborator to Trump's former Campaign Manager Paul Manafort, that Mr. Mueller accused for "Conspiracy" and "Obstruction of Justice" (sic !)... I.e. an Ideal Prey ?

- Unfortunately Not : In Fact, "KK", apparently did Nothing more than, Simply ...explain to 2 Foreign Clients that, as a matter of principle, Manafort's Private Company did not accept to work for Foreigners Inside the USA, but Only Abroad. That's all ! (See, f.ex. "Daily Mail", etc. On the Contrary, curiously, "Wikipedia" does Not even mention ANY Concrete Fact on "KK" alleged Behavior !)...

+ And that, reportedly concerned a remote Past of Manafort's business, Long BEFORE the US Presidential Election of 2016, almost a ...Decade Earlier, when he notoriously had some Dealings Abroad, with a former Ukranian President's entourage, and some Ukranian Oligarchs, i.e. withOut Any Relation to the 2016 Vote in the USA...

++ Moreover, the alleged "Witnesses" were European (Not USA) Politicians, and merely ..."Potential" Witnesses (i.e. Not Real, Neither Effective) according to Mr. Mueller, while, also, the alleged "Attempt" by K.K. took place as Late as on ... 2018 !

>>> I.e., to Sum up : An alleged Contact Not with American but with European Politicians ; which were Not even Witnesses then ; Not in the US but Abroad ;  related to Ukranian but Not Russian Clients ;  about an Operation Dating from Many Years BEFORE the 2016 US Elections and even Before Manafort starts to work for Trump much Later-on ; ... but in a Meeting which took place Only ...2 Years AFTER that US Election : on 2018 ; Limited into merely Confirm a Private Company's General Policy ; (Comp. Supra); according to Mr. Mueller, might be Important for Manipulating the ...2016 US Elections ! How ? ... Only Mr Mueller knows ....

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=> So, Things becoming obviously Nasty, Mr. Mueller Needed now something "Big" and Mediatic in order to Change the ambiant Impression that, Despite an awful lot of Time and Money Wasted, (some Press Sources claim about 10 Millions $ each Year !), he had Failed to Discover Anything really interesting...

- He attemped to do precisely that, on 2018, when he suddenly Indicted several ...Dozens of Russians for "Conspiracy" to various "Frauds" related to the USA, including Wire Fraud, Money Laundering (sic !), Identity Fraud, etc. And, this time, it reportedly was linked to the 2016 Elections...

>>> But, in Fact, what was it Exactly about ?

- The Indicted Persons were about Only a Dozen, and their alleged Modus Operanti (Way of Acting) was mainly Limited into Writting and Publishing through Internet's "Social Medias", etc... But, How could they manage to eventually ..."Affect" thus a Big Country as the USA with a Population of More than 350 Millions ? (Even Mueller's investigation team reportedly Admitted that they did Not Affect the Electoral Result)...

- Moreover, they were simple Individuals, Civilian People, (including also a ... "Catering" Private Business, etc !), acting Independently, and withOut Any known Link to Trump's Staff, (etc). In addition they were also Supporting Dems' Candidate Bernie Sanders, etc.

- As for some Accusations to allegedly have, sometimes, offered to Help one or another Poor US Citizen, located at a far away province, to eventually Pay a Bus, etc. in order to Join a Public Rally, and/or to have allegedly participated, in certain cases, to the popular activity of publishing some Local "Ads" in favour of Trump or Sanders, etc.,  

this Obviously is ...Peanuts, or Nothing, at least Compared to Many Millions $ reportedly Paid by various Foreign Governments to Obama or Clinton's "Foundations" and/or Pre-Electoral Funds on 2008, 2012 and 2016 !...  

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+ As that, obviously, didn't fly high, Mr. Mueller advanced further, Later-on, chosing the Date of US President Don Trump's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, on July 2018, in order to reveal that he Indicted anOther Dozen of Russians for alleged Interference in the 2016 US Elections, but, this time, he claimed to have found mainly Agents of a Russian State Security Service.

However, now it was no more for alleged Direct Interference in the US Electoral Debate, but rather for alleged Search, Findings, and Helping Publications by American Mass Medias, on Hillary's and/or "Democratic" Party Leadership's emails a.o. Computer Data, etc., reportedly Revealing various Scandalous Wrongdoings, (to the point that even the DNC's Heads had to Resign)...

- But, (according f.ex. even to the British Newspaper "Daily Mail"), the Russian President Vladimir "PUTIN RIDICULED" such alleged Mueller's Findings, (that the Newspaper don't even bothers to present analytically, contrary to other allegations, as if it was an obvious nonsense !) :

- These are mostly simple Individuals, Citizens who, may be, heard that Trump appeared to be somewhat Less Negative for their Country (Russia) than other candidates, and, naturally, they tried to support him in World Wide Web's Public Discussions, he pointed out, (particularly for the 1st Group : Comp. Supra). What's the problem ?, he wondered.

+ On Mr. Mueller's accusations for a Dozen of alleged "Agents" of the State to have reportedly "Hacked" for Hillary's and DNC's Emails and/or other Computers' Data (Comp. Supra), after Questioning the Evidence as insufficient, and observing that there is no allegationn, neither proof of eventual "Collusion" with Trump, Putin went as ar as to make even a Concrete Proposal :

- Russia and USA have concluded a Legal Treaty for "Judicial Cooperation" : Let's use it, as it's normaly done between Civilized Nations, on condition of "Reciprocity" ! We shall Help USA's Authorities to Interview those that they suspect for alleged wrongdoings, and make relevant Investigations even here, in Russia, if they accept to Do the Same for the Russian Authorities' interest to Interview a Rich Businessman, accused also for Tax Fraud and several Hundreds of Millions $ of Debt, in addition to reportedly Slandering the Russian Government also during Elections' Time, even for alleged "Murder", f.ex. in the "Magnitsky" case, in the recent Past, he reminded, proposing to cooperate in reciprocal investigations asap.

But, Despite a Positive Backing by US President Don Trump to such a proposal then, nevertheless, Nothing of this kind didn't emerge from Mr Mueller's side, (during 9 Months now)...


+ Last, but no least, the Russian President, in Concluding, pointed at the Substance of the matter;

- "After all, it seems that what they Revealed was Not Fake, but simply the Truth ! Wasn't it ? What's Bad into simply Revealing the Truth about Politicians, to the People ?", Putin reportedly Wondered.

Indeed, it seems that Neither Hillary, Nor Mr. Podesta, or the DNC, did Not ever Dispute the Truefullness of the Contents in their Emails and/or other relevant data, Published by "Wikileaks", etc.

=> Shouldn't the People know the Truth (on Public Issues and the Politicians for whom they were going to Vote) ?...

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Snowden is apparently cooperating, sometimes, inter alia, also with "Intercept"'s Journalist Greenwald, a declared Leftist, who has, nevertheless, Strongly Supported recently New US President Don Trump, against "Deep State"'s Harassment and Threats, Opposing them elementary Principles of Democracy, which exclude anyone's attempts to Hinder a Democratically Elected US President from applying the Program for which the People Elected him, (particularly in "Hot" Areas of General Interest, such as World Peace, etc : See f.ex.  ...).

Greenwald is Friend also to Famous, Historic "Guru" of Leftists Worldwide, Philosopher Noam Chomsky, who has, even himself, felt, more recently the Need to Defend Trump against his various "Deep State", UnDemocratic Persecutors' Harassment, brandissing even Higher, Otherwise, a Growing Risk of Dangerous International Tensions, and even War, (See, f.ex.: ..., etc).

It's, perhaps, the 1st Time in the History of USA that even Leftist Intellectuals felt the Need to Struggle for a Traditional Conservative Rightist, a Real Estate Businessman from a "Family Capitalism", as US President Don Trump...

Recently, Dems' Shamefull and dangerously Damaging Behavior, seeking to Slander US President Don Trump, by organizing a Public Hearing of a Controversial "Witness", (in fact a Prosecuted former Lawyer, notoriously ready to say anything that Mr. Mueller and his Cronies might desire, just to Ease the Prison Sentences threatening him), at precisely ...the Same Day that Trump was notoriously Trying to Solve the Crucial and Complicated Issue of Korea's DeNuclearisation, at a Bilateral Summit with North Korean Leader Kim in Hanoi, Vietnam, i.e. Adding Heavy Pressure over the embattled US President, with the Result to Push towards its Failure, with Dangerous Conseqences against World Peace, proved that Professor Chomsky's and Greenwald's Warnings were, unnfortunately, Right (Comp. Supra).

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"Eurofora"s 2nd Question to Snowden (Comp. Supra) might have been, indeed, "Too Long", but "Whistle-Blowing" Journalism often Needs an elementary Vital Time in order to resume hastily some Complicated Issues, while also trying to avoid too many Risks.

On the Contrary, Mr. Mueller's Oppressive Circus, obviously Threatening the American Democracy and even the World Peace, (Comp. Supra), has unequestionably Durated for Too Much, already Harmed too Many People, and must urgently Stop, at last, in one way or another, Before it might provoke Serious and Irremediable Harm also for the Society and the World.

But the Real Questions, previously Censored or Skiped during a Too Long Time, should, at last, Freely Bloshom and Flourish !

 

 

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Snowden to Eurofora(1): who Helps Whistle-Blowers is not Ennemy, but Friend of the Country concerned

Written by ACM
Friday, 15 March 2019

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*Strasbourg/CoE/Angelo Marcopolo/- Choosing to Reply to the First of 2 "Eurofora"s Questions (See also : ...), at a CoE's Video-Conference, about Whistle-Blowers' Freedom, World Famous pro-Human Rights/Democracy Dissident Edward Snowden, stressed that who Helps a Whistle-Blower, instead of Harassing him/her, is, in fact, "Not an Enemy, But a Friend" of the Country concerned.

- In fact, by Leaving Abroad, "I Wanted to Ask the whole World : Where someone like me should Go ? Where am I Safe to Speak ?", he explained in his Reply to "Eurofora"s relevant Question (See Infra).

 

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- In that rare event, organized Today by the New CoE's Rapporteur on WhistleBlowers, vice-President of the French National Assembly, MEP Sylvain Waserman from Strasbourg, (Comp. also Waserman's relevant Statements to "EF", Yesterday, at : ...., etc), Snowden chose to adress mainly the 1st of 2 Questions that "Eurofora" had raised:

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Our 1st Question concerned, particularly, "WistleBlowers' Ability to continue to Speak on Fundamental Issues" (Individually and/or Collectively), and how to address, through a Socio-Political Struggle, the Fact that, in general, most WhistleBlowers are Threatened to become ..."Carbonized", by Harassment, Pressure and Attacks, shortly after they "come out" in Public at the Medias, Paying personaly a too Heavy price, with Hard Sacrifices for the sake of the General Interest Issue that they revealed,

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as a specialized and experienced NGO Representative had Earlier denounced, (preferring the Protective Secrecy of Anonymous Press "Sources", as far as she was concerned).

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- Snowden Replied that he Found "in there, an Interesting Question", "I think, about the WhistleBlowers' Ability to Speak", (choosing to Start Replying First by "Eurofora"s initial Query, among 3 Differend Participants in a row, who raised Various Issues).

- "Interesting Question : How to Protect them ? What can we do ?", he Wondered.

- "We certainly Can't, in the Current context (since 2013), in the USA, be able to Speak Freely to (Press) Reporters, (not) even about the most Serious Crimes,  without being driven into either Prison, or Exile. And I think, that's a Tragic thing", he Denounced.

- "I would like to say <<that's not the case in Europe>>. But, unfortunately, I have very Little Evidence, to believe it's Different. Especially (judging by) the National Security Context", he bitterly noted.

- "Quite famously, People Forget that I didn't choose to be in Russia", he reminded.

-  In fact, "I was on route from Hong Kong to Latin America, when the Secretary of State, then John Kerry, cancelled my Passport !"

- This was done "as soon as they heard that I left, which Trapped me in Russia".

 - "Now, I could have simply appealed to Russia for Asylum Directly, but I did Not".

- Simply "Because I Wanted to Ask the whole World !", he significantly stressed, (concerning also the Global aspect of Internet Mass Surveillance that he Denounced).

 - Indeed: -"Where can someone like me, go ?", Snowden wondered.

- "Where am I Safe to Speak ?"

- "We Revealed something like the Uniform Violation of the Rights of Every Man, Woman or Child, whose Communications pass through the Networks of the USA and its Allies", he reminded, as far as it concerns what is at stake.

- So, "I Applied to over +20 Differend Countries, for Protection, including France and Germany".

- "And, unfortunately, in Every case, they found a reason Not to accept the query", he denounced :  

- "In Many cases, because of <<US Pressure>>, they said : <<Oh, you know, we won't accept at all !>>. In other cases, it was : <<Oh, you have to Get to our Country First>>, which, of course, they knew it wasn't possible, because my Passport had been Cancelled", Snowden described bitterly.

 - "Even though they could, of course, have offered a Travel Document, (in order) to travel there, and, then, apply for Asylum, they were Not willing to do so".

- "Now, I think we all Undestand the Political Dynamics that Lead to that Common Decision : What Country wants to ask for a Problem ?", he realistically noted.

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 - "But, sometimes, if we don't take these problems, if we don't Willingly Accept these problems", (then),

=> "what we are allowing to happen, is that the Meaning of our Rights, the Protection afforded by our Commitment to the Ideal of Human Rights, is beginning to Shrink !", Snowden Warned.

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- "I think we all know, that, if I had (f.ex.) Belarussian, or Chinese, or North Korean Citizenship, and I had gone to the USA, (then) France and Germany would have Admitted me, they would have thrown me a Parade !", he joked critically..

- "Now, I understand that, and I am Not Angry about what happened. What happens to me is a very little problem of importance", he  said modestly.

>> - "But the (Wider) Dynamic, I think, Matters !

 - "I don't ask Europe, any more to let me in. Although I still, very much, look Forward to the Day that I can Freely Travel to Europe, once again", Snowden acknowledged.

 

=> -"But, I do, very Strongly, Ask Europe, to Make Sure they are Well Prepared for the Next Case, like mine !", he urged.

 - "Because Admitting someone into your Country, and Protecting someone in your Country, who is Trying to Serve the Public Good",

"Even if their Government - which might be a very Close Ally - Objects to it, if it makes them UnConfortable, it creates very Difficult Circumstances for them",

=> Nevertheless, "Admitting and Protecting a Whistle-Blower is Not a Hostile act. Not the act of an Ennemy"

>>> On the Contrary, "It's an Act of a Friend !", Edward Snowden Concluded.

* Since, then, in fact, "You are Upholding a Grieved Country, (f.ex.) USA's Commitment to Protect Human Rights",

"in a Situation where it's very Difficult for them, to do so (by) themselves. Because They are acting Emotionally, they are acting Irrationaly, they are Reacting Angry", he Explained, Realistically but Profoundly.

 - "Because We are All Humans, Governments are Comprised of Humans. We are All Embarassed. We may All make Bad Decisions in a Moment"...

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 - "But, the Attorney General of the USA, who Charged me, with Crimes, ... by the time that he left the White House, said : - "I think that what Mr. Snowden did, was a Public Service. It was a Public Service !".

He was referring to former US Attorney General Eric Holder, who, despite persisting to criticize Snowden's revelations, nevertheless, acknowledged, since 2016, that he had offered a "Public Service" to the Country, by opening a much needed "Debate", which led to adequate "Reforms".

- "Now, we don't know how this Story is going to end, ... And, Honestly, it doesn't matter" so much, the most Famous WhistleBlower of the World, added modestly.

 - "But, if we don't Correct the (US) President, for the Next President. And we don't correct the President, for the Next Person After that, and the Next Person After that", ...

=> Then, "we shall find ourselves withOut WhistleBlowers, when we Need them the most  !".

 - "Because Noone is going to be willing to Sacrifice themselves, for a Public that doesN't, any longer, represent the Ideals that such an individual is Trying to Protect", he Warned.

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+ Concluding that exceptional CoE's Video-Debate, the new Rapporteur of the PanEuropean Organisation for Human Rights, Democracy and Rule of Law, Strasbourg's Centrist MEP Sylvain Waserman, expessed his Wish to "Invite" Snowden here, in the foreseable Future, this time "in Safety".

Such a move might be naturally made by Waserman, (who is also vice-President of France's National Assembly), most probably during the forcthcoming French Presidency of the CoE, i.e. between May and November 2019, when he intends to present his Report for Public Debate and Final Vote for Adoption by CoE's Parliamentary Assembly, as he told "Eurofora", (See : ...).

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++ It's Interesting to note, also, in this regard, the fact that vice-President Waserman, almost at the same time, would like to give "an International Framework" to his Future Report, (according also to a Recent EU - CoE cooperation's Trend to use, more and more, Strasbourg's PanEuropean Organisation, and its Old and New, various Legal Conventions, often "Open for Signature and Ratification" also to 3rd Countries, from all over the World, particularly in some Key Areas, such as, f.ex., Protection of Private/Personal Data, Fight against Cyber-Crime, Constitutional Law and Human Rights, BioEthics, Children's protection and Struggle against Human Trafficking, etc), as he told "Eurofora" earlier Today.

+++ In this Context, CoE's Rapporteur also told "Eurofora" that he would like to Meet, inter alia, with some Key Officials from the USA, etc.

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CoE Rapporteur, French Assembly v.President Waserman to EF on WhistleBlowers' Legal status Query

Written by ACM
Thursday, 14 March 2019

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*Strasbourg/EU Parliament + CoE/Angelo Marcopolo/- While EU Institutions were fine-tuning and coordinating their work here, on the much needed Protection of "Whistle-Blowers" (like the famous Edward Snowden, etc), the PanEuropean CoE was Launching an Ambitious, Wide and Profound, operation, extending accross many More Countries, in order to Forge concrete, Operational Legal Tools, Starting with a 2 Days-Long Conference, organised, this Same Week in Strasbourg, by CoE's new Rapporteur on Whistle-Blowers, the vice-President of the French National Assembly, MEP Sylvain Waserman, who spoke Today to "Eurofora" on his plans.

+Earlier this week in Strasbourg, on Tuesday, EU Commission's Chief Spokesman, Margarites Schinas, speaking in a Press Conference, together with EU Commission's vice President Katainen, (Comp. Katainen's statements to "Eurofora" on other Topical Issues at: ...), Announced that "the TriaLogue" (between EU Parliament, EU Commission and EU Council) had just reached an "Agreement" on the "High-Level Protection of Whistle-Blowers", following a Proposal initially made by EU Comission's President, Jean-Claude Juncker, on April 2018".

++ Shortly afterwards, this Thursday and Friday, at the Nearby CoE, the Rapporteur of the PanEuropean Organisation for Human Rights, Democracy and Rule of Law, vice-President of the French National Assembly, MEP Sylvain Waserman from Strasbourg, Started a Conference with Debates between Legal Experts, Whistle-Blowers, specialized NGOs, Lawers, Judges, etc., and even a Video-Debate with Edward Snowden himelf, scheduled for Tomorrow, working closely Together with the Experienced Head of PACE's Legal Committee's secretariat, Dr. Gunter Schirmer.

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UE's 27 or 28 Member States use to Cooperate with CoE's much Wider, 47 Member States' PanEuropean Organisation (including Russia, etc), which, in certain Areas of Legal Instruments "Open" to signature also by 3rd Countries, can Extend even Further, f.ex. in Constitutional Law (via the "Committee of Venice") accross 61 Member States, and/or on "CyberCrime" Topical Issues (via the "Budapest Convention"), where it's also the USA which participate, etc), as well as on Protection of "Private/Personal Data", etc., with a Recent Trend for EU - CoE Cooperation to lean Towards a kind of "Global" impact in the foreseable Future's Horizon, (Comp., f.ex. : ...)

So that it's not unusual in Strasbourg to see often, f.ex. EU's Offices to stand Aside ... f.ex. those of the Holy See, and/or of Japan, (etc)...

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- "Eurofora" invited Waserman to present a Highlight of his on-going work, right in the Middle of that CoE's Conference, on Thursday afternoon.

 - "There are 2 Aims", vice-President Waserman stressed from the outset :

(A) "The First is to make a Comparative Study of Various Laws in Europe, in order to identify Good Practices, and, therefore, make some Proposals",

(B) "and the Second is to try to identify Indicators, able to qualify the capacity for Democracy, to reply to the need for protection, etc.

Thus, in all our work we have that Double View :

- (1) Identify Good European Practices, and mainly show how the Decisions taken in the CoE have allowed to make Serious Progress.

These Practices, Nowadays, are very Heterogenous, and Need to be Stabilized, in the Rule of Law".

- (2) But also to find Factual Indicators, very Accurate, which allow to Qualify, by each MP, when he returns back to his National Assembly, and has to transpose EU's Directives, or make (legislative) Texts concerning the Protection (of Whistle-Blowers), enabling him to work with an operational Tool", he concluded.

=> So, Tomorrow (Friday), we are going to Formulate concrete Proposals", he anounced. "Particularly during the Last 2 Sessions, where there will be More and More Proposals".

+ "Afterwards, we are going to have a lot of Work to do, in order to make Scenarios on the way to move Forward".

- Concerning the Timeline, "we intend to use the Time available during the Summer, in order to be able, around September, to present proposals to our Collegues", (MEPs in CoE's competent Committee for Legal affairs).

Thus, "I'd be Glad to have the Result Ready, in a Report (adopted by the Committee), during the forthcoming French Presidency of the CoE, (i.e. between May and November 2019), Waserman concluded, for the time being.

 

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EUParliament Resolution to Suspend Turkey's EU bid, Freeze Funds, Hides Incoming Stronger Reaction..

Written by ACM
Wednesday, 13 March 2019

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*Strasbourg/EU Parliament/Angelo Marcopolo/- EU Parliament's 2019 Resolution on Turkey's controversial and unpopular EU bid, which asks to Suspend EU Accession Negotiations, Freeze EU Funds to the Turkish State, use Independent International Monitoring on serious Human Rights' Abuses, Halt plans for a Nuclear plant near Cyprus, Start Withdrawing Occupation Troops from the Island, Stop Altering its Population's Demography, and Respect EU Member Cyprus' Sovereign Right to search and exploit its Energy Resources, (etc), even if it was adopted by 370 Votes against 109, shortly before the May 2019 EU Elections, in fact, Hides an incoming, much Stronger Reaction by Wider Political Forces due to Surf at the Top of a New Majority of MEPs during the forthcoming period of 2019-2024.

It's already an UnPrecedended Fact for EU Parliament to ask, particularly, to "Suspend .. Accession Negotiations with Turkey", and ReOrientate "the Funds currently allocated ... for Pre-Accession Assistance", instead, "to support ...Civil Society, human rights Defenders and Journalists" of the Country, in a way "directly Managed by the EU", (Not the Turkish State), "with the Objective of protecting and promoting Democratic values and principles, Human rights, and the rule of Law", for a Future "Partnership" "between Turkey ad the EU", "built on Conditionality" based on such Principles, (etc).

But it's also a Fact that an exceptionaly Big Number of important MEPs Voted, instead, to ..."TERMINATE" Turkey's "Accession Negotiations" for ever, (207 Votes), or Abstained (67 Votes), Instead of Limiting today's Sanction Only to a Mere, Precarious "Suspension", (which was supported Only by a ...Minority of MEPs : 342 out of a Total of 751, since Many More prefered to simply Walk Away) !

    The Most Important Fact is that, Already, among those, More Critical MEPs (apparently around 300), are Included a lot of Very Important European Personalities and Big Countries, surprisingly Spreading along almost All the Political Spectrum, from Right to the Left, as well as, particularly, those Political Forces which (according to most current Polls) are Expected to Grow and probably Win a PreDominant Role in the New EU Parliament of 2019-2024 just after the European Elections of May...

Indeed, f.ex., it's mainly the Biggest Group of MEPs, that of ChristianDemocrats/EPP, followed by Rightists, several Centrists/Liberals, and even some of the Left, who Voted to put, at last, a full and definite END to Turkey's controversial and unpopular EU bid.  

Among those, More Critical MEPs, are Included almost All French MEPs of the Mainstream Center-Right, (f.ex. former Ministers Alliot-Marie, Hortefeux, Lamassoure, Morano, etc, Experienced MEPs Francoise Grossetete, EPP vice-President, and Morin-Chartier, the Gaullist Cadec, Strasbourg's Sander, etc).

    Most Important : EPP's "Spitzen Candidate" to the 2019 Elections, currently Leading for the post of New EU Commission's President : Manfred Weber from Germany, as well as many other Top German MEPs, as, f.ex., the President of EU Parliament's Foreign Affaits Committee, McAlistair, Angelica Niebler from Bavaria, Renate Sommer, Marcus Feber, vice-President of Budget's Committee Monika Hohlmeier, President of EU Delegation to the pan-African Parliament Michael Gahler, Werner Langen, Andreas Schwab, BioEthical Expert Dr. Peter Liese, etc.Together with Experienced Austrian "Heavy-weight" Paul Rübig, and the Young New President of "PanEuropa" Working Group Lukas Mandl, Long-term MEP Caras, (etc).

Followed also by Italian mainstream Experienced MEP Giovani La Via, as well as EU Parliament's new Rapporteur on Space policy Massimiliano Salini (etc), from former Prime Minister Berlusconi's "Forza Italia", (who has Recently fully returned Back to Political Business, and may be even in EU Parliament).

Added to Polish EPP MEP Jaroslaw WALESA, son of Historic former President Lech Walesa, and Jaroslaw Kalinowski, etc., (close to EU Council's President Donald Tusk). Followed by former vice-President of the Governing "Law and Order" Polish Party, and former Minister of Culture, Kazimierz Ujazdovski, currently Non-Aligned (NI).

+ Also "Liberal" German MEPs, such as Wolf Klinz, Gesine Meissner, etc, as well as many French Liberals as the President of EU Parliament's Budgets' Committee Arthuis, the Famous former Journalist Jean-Marie Cavada, the President of Anti-Terrorism Committee Mrs Griesbeck from nearby Lorraine, former Foreign Minister of Estonia Urmas Paet, the President of the Conference of Committees' Chairmen, Swedish Liberal MEP Cecilia Wikstrom, etc,   (concerning a Political Group that New French President Emmanuel Macron's future MEPs are probably expected to join).

+ About 30 MEPs from the EFDD Group were added, including EU Parliament's vice-President Castaldo from the Governing in Italy "5 Stars" Movement, as well as several EFDD's Brittish Leader Nigel Farage's (New Head of "BREXIT Party) faithful as UK's Jonathan Bullock, Bill Etheridge, David Coburn, etc., (who might Stay MEPs even Longer, if the BREXIT is Postponed or droped).

++ Also 17 MEPs from the Conservatives/Reformists' Group ECR, including its vice-President Helga Stevens from Belgium, Experienced vice-President of EU - Israel Delegation Bas Belder from the Netherlands, Cyprus' Governing Coalition MEP and Head of "Solidarity" new Party Helen Theocharous, Greece's Marias, Germany's Lucke (former Founder of AfD), Kristina Winberg from the Recently Growing Party of "Swedish Democrats" (New Rightists), etc. +Moreover, Most Brittish Conservative MEPs (as, f.ex.,, vice-President Syed Kamal, Ashley Fox, Experienced Tannock, etc) preferred to Vote "Abstention", Refusing a mere Suspension of Turkey's unpopular EU bid.

+++ Followed another 28 MEPs from the Rightist Group "ENF" founded by Marine le Pen, and led by its President Nicolas Bay from France, but including also Mihal Marusik from Poland, Pretzel from Germany, Obermayr and others from the co-Governing Austrian "Freedom" Party, as well as Borghezio, Marco Zanni, Oscar Lancini etc., from the co-Governing Italian "Lega" party, etc.

    Added to "Independent" MEPs from the 3rd Party of Greece : that of "Golden Dawn"s controversial Rightists, as Army General Epitideios, former NATO Senior Official in Brussels, and MEP Fountoulis, (Father of a Murdered Son, notoriously shot Dead by a Gunman who Killed also anOther Victim and seriously Wounded a third one, simple Guardians of the same Party, in a scandalously UnPunished yet Crime committed Back on 2013, i.e. nearly 6 Years now).

++++ But, there are also some "Socialist" MEPs, such as the vice-President of the SocialDemocrat Group Jeppe Kofod, from Denmark, followed by Christel Schaldemose and Ole Christensen (also Danish), as well as Cyprus' MEP Mavrides, etc.

    +++++ Even "Green" MEPs, including the vice-President of EU Parliament's Culture and Education Committee Helga Trupel from Germany, Andras Tarand from Estponia, etc., (while the vice-President of EU's Delegation to Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo, Austrian MEP Thomas Waitz, prefered to "Abstain", Refusing to vote a mere "Suspension" of Turkey's controversial and unpopular EU bid).

++++++ Surprisingly, it's even  ..."LEFT"'s MEPs, as the vice-President of the Group, Denis de Jong, Dutch MEPs Anja Hazecamp and Anne-Marie Mineur, Bureau Member Nicos Chountis from Greece (formerly Member of Prime Minister Tsipras' Governing Party), Luke Flanagan from Ireland, Javier Couso Permuy from Spain, (etc). To whom were Added even Communist Greek MEPs Zarianopoulos and Papadakis, etc.

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    + In Addition, perhaps the Most Important Fact is also a New Political Dynamic, related to the forthcoming 2019 EU Elections, which appears in Today's Votes :

- Indeed, the "Socialist" Group, which supported, More than any others, the controversial Limitation of EU's Sanctions to Turkey Only in a mere Precaious "Suspension" of its "Accession" Talks (Comp. Supra), is notoriously Expected to suffer the ...Worst Loses of its former MEPs, according to most Polls, which Warn for a Heavy Reduction of the Number of "Socialist" MEPs, Falling quite Low in the New EU Parliament due to result from the May 2019 Elections.

- On the Contrary, the Christianemocrats/EPP Group, which officially Asked to put an "End" to Turkey's controversial and unpopular EU bid, even if it might be slightly reduced too, on the Contrary, is Expected to Remain the Biggest in EU Parliament.

- Meanwhile, if the Brittish MEPs Remain in EU Parliament, in case of a Long Postponement or Abandon of the "BREXIT", given the Fact that Most of Farage's followers at the EFDD Group voted for the Heaviest Sanction of "Terminating" Turkey's unpopular EU bid, while Many "Conservatives" prefered to "Abstain", Refusing to endorse a Too "Soft" Sanction of a mere, precarious "Suspension", (Comp. Supra), it's obvious that Turkey wouldn't have Nothing to Expect from them, no more, in this matter. Former Conservative UK Prime Minister David Cameron's notorious remark, during the "BREXIT" Referendum Campain, that Turkey would Not Enter in the EU, Not even on 2033 (sic !), obviously Left unforgetable Marks...

    >>> More Important : German "Spitzen Kandidat" of ChristianbDemocrat/EPP Group, Manfred Weber, looks firmly Anchored, now, in favor of putting an "END" to Turkey's controversial and unpopular EU bid, and this seems to be Also the case for German "Liberal" MEPs, (Comp. Supra), as well as, naturally, for the Fast-Growing recently "AfD" Party of the Rightists, (and even from some German "Greens" : Comp. Supra).

++ At the same time, Today's Vote Revealed an unexpected ..."Unity" of France's Centrist, mainstream Right, and Rightist MEPs, (together with the "Absention" of some important French Leftists, as Miss Vergiat, etc), as far as it concerns the "Termination" of Turkey's EU bid, as the Votes of most "Liberals", "Republicans", and "Nationalist" French MEPs clearly showed, (Comp. Supra).

+++ Moreover, the Recent Electoral Victory of the "Swedish Democrats"' Rightist Party, as well as the Fact that also Mainstream "Conservatives" in Belgium, and Even ..."Socialists" in Denmark, added even to ..."Leftists" in the Netherlands, and "Greens" in Austria (where the Governing Coalition of EPP and "Freedom" Party's Rightists does not leave any Illusion to Ankara) Voted to "End" Turkey's unpopular EU bid, obviously Augment a current Trend Against Laxism in EU Enlargement policy.

    ++++ Even More Important, probably Decisive : In Italy, both the New Governing Majority Coalition of "5 STARS"' Movement, and "LEGA" Party, (which currently ..."Explodes" in Recent Polls, pointing Upwards to the 1st Rank), as well as Berlusconi's Mainstream Center-Right, inside EU Parliament's Political Groups of "EFDD", "ENF", and "EPP", respectively, clearly Proved another New Joint Trend towards "Terminating" Turkey's controversial and unpopular EU bid, (Perceptible also among Most Polish MEPs of the Center-Right), (Comp. Supra).

=> Consequence : Taken All Together, those Various but Spectacularly Converging Recent Facts, obviously Reveal a New Trend, in a Growing Majority of EU's People, towards, at last, Definitively Saving Europe from that UnDemocratic and Heavy Burden, that an Error committed on 1999-2000 had thrown over their Lives, Society and Future, notoriously Damaging any "European Dream" until now.

 The forthcoming, May 2019 EU Elections, are obviously a crucial Chance for European People to Transform this Growing New Trend into a tangible and Stable New Reality from 2019-2024, opening a Positive Horizon.

 

 

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EU Commission V.President Katainen to EF for "closer" cooperation with China on Space High-Tech +

Written by ACM
Tuesday, 12 March 2019
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*Strasbourg/EU Parliament/Angelo Marcopolo/- EU Commission's vice-President, Jurki Katainen, former Prime Minister of Finland (current CoE President), speaking to "Eurofora" on the occasion of his presentation, at a Press Conference, of the Conclusions of EU Commission's Collective Meeting, Today in Strasbourg, on "Reviewing Relations with China", including a "proposal for 10 Actions", in the run up to the EU - China Summit of early April 2019, expressed his interest for a "Closer Cooperation with China on Space" High-Tech, particularly in "certain areas" of shared interests, as he told us, in a brief but topical and exclusive interview, (which evoked also CyberSecurity topical issues : See Infra).

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- Observing that EU Commission's relevant Anouncement, presented earlier by Katainen, included, inter alia, also a call to "Deepen" EU's "Engagement with China", also "to promote Common Interests at Global level", as well as the Fact that; notoriously, China has Recently, being Moving quite fast into Developing several High-Tech Capabilities in Space, (including, f.ex., Landing at the Other Side of the Moon, where Europe, after the USA, has also anounced its wish to take part, as well as the eventual creation of a New International Space Station at Orbit, etc), "Eurofora" asked the vice-President of EU Commission whether he thinks that "there might be Interesting Perspectives in the Future, for Cooperation between China and the EU on Space ?"

- "Certainly !", immediately Replied Katainen from the outset, on this key point, positively.

- Indeed, "We (EU) can imagine a Closer Cooperation with China on Space", he explicitated.

- "EU is Investing Heavily on Space", EU Commission's vice-President reminded.

- "Especially to Private Companies and to (Scientific) Research".

- "So, it's Fundamental for Developping Future Technologies, Communication Technologies, etc."

+ "And also it's Fundamental in terms of Security", he added.

=> "Thus we (EU) are Working very Strongly this."

+ "And this is, by the way, an Area where (EU) Member States have indicated, very Clearly, that European Added Value is the greatest, because No Country Alone can Address these Challenges without cooperation with Other (EU) Member States".

- "But, in Certain Areas in Space Policy, we could imagine to Cooperate also with China", EU Commission's vice-President confirmed.

- "Because it must be Carefully Selected", he advised, (See also Infra).

 

Already in the recent Past, China had announced its willingness to co-Fund and join EU's Satellite Navigation System "Galileo" for more than 200 Millions €uros, as Early as since a 2006 Visit of EU Parliament's competent Rapporteur, German ChristianDemocrat/EPP MEP Brigitte Langenhagen at a meeting co-organized by the "International Space University" and "Eurofora"'s co-Founder in Strasbourg. But, when "Galileo" was somewhat Delayed, Beijing was pushed to launch its own Satellite Navigation System, "Beidou", in parallel, (See, f.ex. : http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/shanghai.html, etc). When Antonio Tajani (currently EU Parliament's President) became the competent EU Commissioner for Space and re-Launched "Galileo" after 2010, (See: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/tajaniindustrygalileo.html , etc), it was too late for that cooperation, since China had, meanwhile, moved ahead, alone...

On anOther concrete Point, Katainen did not specifically mention now China's recent succesfull landing at the Other side of the Moon, neither ESA's plan to reach Mars together with Russia, nor USA's new President Don Trump's landmark decision to give NASA a Huge Budget for Space Exploration (2019+), where ambitious Moon/Mars plans are at the focus, with Europe willing to participate (etc), as ESA has reportedly just declared its will to advance towards the Moon, etc. But this normaly is part and parcell of overall Space Policies.

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+ Concerning, particularly, CyberSecurity Issues, the EU Commission's vice-President diplomatically eluded a straitforward answer to another "Eurofora"s Question, which Compared the current, 2019 situation, with that of October 2013's EU Summit in Brussels, (i.e. at the famous USA Whistleblower dissident "Snowden era", with revelations and concerns about a USA's Global Monitorig System), asking whether, Today, China's alleged position was considered to be Equivalent, or Not, and why, but Preferred to Carefully Focus on EU's General Policy in that area of growing importance, (which is also Part of EU's 10 Actions decided Today: See Infra):

- "It's very Difficult to Assess whether the Danger is Higher Now than before, (2019 compared to  : Comp. Supra), and Where the Potential Danger comes from. I doN't want to Blame any Country in particular", Katainen Carefully stressed from the outset, in his Reply to "Eurofora"s Question on CyberSecurity.

- "But, since what has being Happening during all those Leaks, and Cyber-Attacks against our (EU) Member States -for instance : Interferences of 3rd Parties to our Electoral processes or Referendas, etc.- We (EU) have Deepened our Cooperation in CyberSecurity".

- "This is again an area where European Added Value is Great, because Any Country, no matter how Big, how Strong it might be, (in fact) it's Too Small to Address such Issues : We've seen that to hape even in the USA", he referred. "So, both (EU) Member States and EU Commission have been trading for Better CyberSecurity Systems, and this is going to be a Priority also for the Next (EU) Commission too (2019-2024), he foresaw for the Future.

Concerning EU - China Strategic Cooperation, a Document released by EU Commission Today, during Katainen's Press Conference (Comp. Supra), notes, about "Cooperaion in the Cyber area", that, during "EU-China Cyber TaskForce"'s "Annual" meetings, the two sides "exchange views" in "Areas" such as "Government", "Norms", "Confidence-Building Measures", etc.

Concerning the Overall trend of Today's "Review of Relations with China" by EU Commission's meeting Today in Strasbourg, on the sidelines of EU Parliament's Plenary Session of March A, 2019, EU's High Representative for Foreign Relations, Federica Mogherini, reportedy stressed that "China is a Strategic Partner of the EU. We pursue Strong, Bilateral and Multilateral Cooperation, on Files Where we Share Interests... And we are Willing to keep Engaging robustly, Where our Policies Differ or Compete". Thus, "we propose to Strengthen our Relations with China, in a Spirit of Mutual Respect".

+ "EU and China have Committed to a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership", reminds a Document presented at Katainen's Press Conference Today, which advises to "ReFine Europe's Approach, to be More Realistic, Assertive and Multi-Faceted".

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 Last, but not least, concerning anOther, particular but very Important, Topical Development on a Key Issue of BioEthics : the Recent Heritable Genetic Editing of 2 newborn Babies' Germline, Transmissible to Future Generations, reportedly made by a Chinese Doctor, Educated by, and Linked to USA Networks from the Barack Hussein Obama's era (Dems' "Socialists/Liberals" : See http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/heritablegenemaniptrumpxihumanity.html, etc), that China and USA Presidents Xi and Trump might have an opportunity to eventualy deal with on the occasion of their imminent Bilateral Summit about Trade a.o. matters, expected for Later this Month (See: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/usachinaontradeandbioethics.html), and on which EU Parliament prepares a draft Resolution, after also a Recent Debate in Strasbourg where MEPs, Questioning EU Commission, urged for a "Global Ban", (See: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/eppvpresidentandmepsongermlinemanipban.html), considering also that the Chinese Government explicitly Condemned such acts, as also did several (but not all) People in the USA, Europe, etc, while, already, CoE's PanEuropean Convention on Human Rights and BioMedicine Prohibits any attempts to artificially Alter the Human Germline,


- Katainen, Questioned Today by "Eurofora" about whether such a Serious and Dangerous Problem might be Discussed at the forthcoming EU - China Summit, scheduled for Early April 2019, after Carefully Hearing our Question,  Kindly excused himself for being de facto obliged to Decline to give a Reply Today, on this Exceptional point :


 - "I frankly don't know", and prefer "No to Comment" for the Time being, leaving that point "Open" for Now, as I "have not been informed" on that, "NOT YET !", concluded Carefully but Honestly, with a kind smile, EU Commission's vice-President, (who is personally in charge mainly of Economic Issues, but Not specifically BioEthics/Human Rights)...



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Nevertheless, that "Hot" and Topical BioEthical Issue, would, apparently, "Fit" Well with the Presentation made by Katainen at his above-mentioned Press Conference, at least on the level of "Principles", as also an Official EUCommisson's Document, distributed on this occasion, notes about EU's will, "Based on clearly defined ... Principles, (to) Deepen its Engagement with China to promote Common interests at Global level", and, particularly, to "Strengthen EU's Cooperation with China to meet Common Responsibilities accross the 3 Pillars of the United Nations: Human Rights, Peace and Security, and Development".

 

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Facing a 70% Abstention threat in 2009 Election, EU endorses EuroFora's idea for Citizens' debates on crucial EU decisions !

- Different views on "Europe's Future", should be debated among Citizens at June 2009 EU Elections, thanks to political Parties' "Manifestos", says EU Parliament's Report


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
A main idea, initiated and promoted by EuroFora's founders since 1997: the vital need to develop European Citizens' democratic right to actively participate in multilingual debates on EU decisions, is formally endorsed by the EU from 2009 !

The move is a key attempt to overcome "catastrophic" Polls which warn that only ...30% of Citizens are ready to vote in the forthcoming June 2009 EU Election !  This was revealed by EU Commission's vice-president, in charge of Communication policy, Margot Wallstrom, during a "hot" meeting of EU Parliament's Committee on Culture and Education, during the December 2008 Strasbourg session.

Wallstrom faced criticism, but also suggestions from various MEPs, naturally worried by Abstention threats which herself found even "worse" than in 1999 or 2004...

A Report on "Active Dialogue with Citizens",examined at the same time, presented some useful practical tips, on "facilitating Interviews"; etc., but also a  potentialy important call to "incorporate the conclusions of ...debates...into (EU) policies, and take into consideration the expectations that Citizens have of the EU when deciding". An amendment even implies that Citizens' participation in debates on EU decisions is a democratic "Right".

More importantly, it finds that  a Debate "on the Future of Europe", (as French President Nicolas Sarkozy has asked since 2007), would be a good idea " for the 2009 European parliamentary Elections", because "clarifying the political differences between the EU political parties would help citizens to identify themselves with, and choose between various concepts", for which "all parties (should) present their Manifesto".

A "Joint political declaration on Communicating Europe in Partnership", co-signed by "the European Parliament, Council and ... Commission", confirms that they "attach the utmost importance to improving communication on EU issues", by "enabling European citizens to exercise their right to participate in the democratic life of the Union, in which decisions are taken as openly as possible and as closely as possible to the citizens, observing the principles of pluralism, participation, openness and transparency".

This should "enable Citizens to exercise their right to express their views and to participate actively in the public Debate on European Union issues", while also "promoting the respect of multilingualism". In this regard, EU confirms its "wish to develop synergies with national, regional and local authorities as well as with representatives of Civil Society".

    It's since 1997 that a group of EuroFora's founders have officially presented a pioneer Project (then called "EIW", for "Europe in the World"), which aimed to develop Strasbourg's "Polyphonic music", by providing "Interactive information", on "main issues ... during the Decision-making process of European Organizations which engage in Transparent and Public Democratic Debates"

    This should be done, inter alia, by "exploring the potential of New Communication Tools (mainly Internet)", as well as classic-form debates, the 1997 EIW pioneer project's anounced in its "Synopsis". It was formally "accepted for evaluation" by EU Commission in Brussels in order to be examined for a grant in the framework of the "Research/Technology/Development (RTD) Programme in the field of Information Technologies", then called "ESPRIT", as a "Best Practice Pilot Project".

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        But the vital, urgent Political need for EU to search new, efficient ways to reach the People and interact with European Citizens, was really felt in Brussels and elsewhere only after the unprecedented in History 1999 and 2004 Majority Abstention in EU Elections, followed by 3 "NO" in Referenda in France, the Netherlands and Ireland, on 2005 and 2008...
    In this New Political Landscape, we prepared a new, actualised and more developed version of our initial idea, in a simplified and more efficient form, thanks also to a large Experience accumulated during many years of EU/CoE/UNO Press work and Multi-lingual debates, with the New project "EuroFora" :

    On 2006 we presented in Public its main lines during Questions/Replies that we raised at two Press Conferences by EU Commission President, Jose Baroso, and mainly EU Commission's vice-President, in charge of Communication policy, Margot Wallstrom, together with EU Parliament's vice-president, Alejo Vidal-Quadras, in Strasbourg, (Videos available), and we reminded it at various brief contacts with Commissioner Wallstrom in 2007 and 2008.

    Meanwhile, a new Text was also presented for "EuroFora" Project mainly to certain Political and other personalities, at European, National or Regional/Local level, mainly in 2007, but also in 2008..

    Now, after the unexpected 2008 Irish "NO", and before the 2009 EU Elections, which are due to be of exceptionally crucial importance for Europe's Future, the moment has obviously come to launch that project, progressively, but in real practice.

    Whoever really cares for Europe and its Citizens is welcome to join, in one way or another. Only anti-European, anti-democratic, obscure or ignorant groups might oppose or attempt to "steal" and deviate the main idea.

    But European Citizens, incited by enlightened political leaders, are those who will finally write the real History.

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