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EU Regions Committee Head +CLRAE v.Chair Lambertz to EF on Tabarnia Split from Catalonia in Spain

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Tuesday, March 27, 2018
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*Strasbourg/CoE/Angelo Marcopolo/- EU Regions' Committee new President in Brussels, and CLRAE vice-President in Strasbourg, Karl-Heintz Lambertz, speaking to "Eurofora" on the latest Developments of the Catalan Issue in Spain, observed, inter alia, also that the Recent Popular Moves for a Detachment of the so-called "Tabarnia" Area from Catalonia Region, (fuelled mainly by Political Disagreements on a Controversial and Failed Unilateral Secessionist Attempt by Former Leaders of the latter), is Not a Unique Phenomenon, since it has Similar, even if not totaly Identical, Examples also elsewhere in Europe (See Infra).

 

+ And, additional Facts found by "Eurofora", clearly indicate, that the overall "Tabarnia" Issue, might be much More Serious than it seems at First Sight, (as we shall see Infra)... 

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Lambertz is also a Long-Time Leader of the German-speaking Region in Belgium, and an Experienced vice-President of CoE's PanEuropean Local/Regional Democracy Watchdog : the 47 Member Countries-wide Congress of Local and Regional Authorities of Europe (CLRAE), as well as a Writer of comprehensive Books about Regions in Europe, with a Deep and Extensive Knowledge of Regional realities throughout the entire Continent, and well beyond.

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"Tabarnia" is a rather New reference to a Coherent and the most Important Part of Catalonia's Region in Spain, which reportedly pre-existed, as a satirical Geo-Political Idea, at least since 2012, but Became Famous mainly after the December 2017 Spanish Local/Regional Elections (see: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/spanishunionistsgrowincatalonia.html, etc), and particularly since a Big Popular Demonstration in Barcelona, at the Beginning of March 2018.

 

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Opposed to the Unilateral Secessionism from Spain, pushed by Catalonia Region's Former Leaders, on the Contrary, the Supporters of "Tabarnia" Idea want, for their Area, to Leave and Get Out of such a controversial, separatist Catalan reality, by Becoming Autonomous, while still Remaining inside the Spanish Country and in the EU.

 

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Their Geographic Area includes mainly Barcelona (Capital) City and Taragona, as well as Many Other adjacent Lands, which extend accross Most of the Seaside, and Bring Together some among the Richest and more Developed Parts of the Spanish Catalan Region, (See relevant MAPs, attached herewith).

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(Tabarnia's area, as seen from the Space - "Plataforma por Tabarnia")
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>>> Most Important : In that "Tarbania" Area, a more or less Clear Majority against the pro-Unilateral Secessionism or Independentist Parties has Recently Won the Greatest Number of Votes, particularly in the December 2017 Regional Elections in Spain's Catalonia, in Addition to the Fact that the Separatist Parties Only got, Region-Wide, a Minority of 47%, (receiving a Slightly Larger Number of Seats just Because the current Catalan Representative System notoriously Favors particularly the Outer and/or Rural Areas, which are Backing them, in a way which obviously Provokes an InEquality among Voters, and/or more or less UnDemocratic Results on the Number of Representatives : See http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/spanishunionistsgrowincatalonia.html).


Indeed, as relevant MAPs Published also by "Wikipedia" clearly show, in the "Tabarnia" Area, (around Barcelona and most of the Seaside), Most of the Voters have Refused the Separatism, (as Also in some Other, but Smaller and Differend Areas, Located Elsewhere).

 

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And this Localized Phenomenon should, in Fact, be even Stronger than what these "Wikipedia" MAPs show, Because they, curiously, Exclude the "Podemos" Voters, who (without necessarily supporting directly that "Tabarnia" idea), are, however, Against Separatism, them too...

 

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=> So that, the "Tabarnia" Movement obviously Supports a clearly Localized Revendication of an Area whose Population Mostly feels United Together by a Barcelona/Taragona-Centered Majority Aspiration towards a Distinct Common Identity, proclaimed to be Both ..."Tabarnian", and Catalan, as well as Spanish and European, (as its Fans Explain even at several, specially dedicated Websites).


The assumed Fact that it's also, for many, a Satirical "Parody" (See Infra), does not exclude the Additional Fact that, at any case, it's, UnQuestionably, Based on a Localized Political Will clearly Directed Against Catalan Separatism.

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- It's in this overall Context, that Presidet Lambertz told "Eurofora", in particular, that a Similar (even if Not necessarily 100% Identical) Move, as that of "Tabarnia"s aspiration to Leave a Separatist Catalonia, for anOther Region, Exists Already also Elsewhere in Europe :  


- As, "f.ex., in Italy, and particularly at the Region of Venice", a Part of which had expressed the Wish to Go Elsewhere (inside the Italian Country), as Lambertz observed, in Reply to a relevant "Eurofora"s Question.


- However, Lambertz, (who is an eminent member of the Socialist Group inside the CLRAE), also Added, at his own Initiative, and speaking more widely about the Manifold Developments about the Catalan Issue, from Various and Different aspects, that he did "not like" some Other Attempts by certain Politicians to Exploit the Catalan Controversy for this or another Political Interest, as he said, as a matter of General Principle.

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- But it's also a Fact that ECR's President, who Signed Today a "revised Cooperation Agreement" with CLRAE's President, Gudrun Mosler-Törnstrom from Austria, while Speaking at CLRAE's Plenary about Prospects to extend EU's Cooperation towards various Non-EU Foreign Countries, even Out of Europe, was, by a Symbolic "Coincidence", visibly sitting Aside a Seat offiicialy reserved for ..."China" :  I.e. the Only UN SC Permanent Member which has Not Yet any Official Status inside the CoE in Strasbourg, (Russia and USA already having one, as well as the UK and France), and notoriously does Not Like "Secessionist" movements in any Region, at all... (See relevant PHOTO).

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+ Moreover, anOther Official of the CoE, (Strasbourg's PanEuropean Organisation for Human Rights, Democracy and Rule of Law), Afterwards told "Eufofora" that (in a Different Context),  the Canadian Law has a provision for any Region which might, eventually, wish to Seek to become Independent, that If a Part of it, eventually, Wishes, on the Contrary, to Stay inside the Country (Canada), then, it's Free to do so...

 
Canada holds, already since 1996+, a Special Status inside the CoE, (as also the USA, Japan, Australia, Mexico, etc), and some of its Representatives are Often Active, particularly in various CoE's Inter-Governemental Committees, as well as, especially in CoE's Parliamentary Assembly, etc.


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- Meanwhile, Clarifying further that "Tabarnia" Movement Issue, while Speaking to "Eurofora" earlier in Brussels, the Experienced EU Parliament's Director of Communications (including Press/Medias), Jaume Duch, (who knows well Barcelone since his own origin was from that City), stressed that it was, initially, a mainly "Satyrical" or "Comedy" Move, staging "a Parody" of the Secessionists, to whom they are Opposed in Catalonia.


+ In Addition, "they (i.e. "Tabarnia" Supporters) don't speak about Secession from the Spanish Country, but just for the Departure of their Area from the current Catalan Region, on the Level of Local/Regional DeCentralisation", Duch further Clarified explicitly.

 
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Having, indeed, in Addition to a Distinct, specific Name, Flag and Territory, as well as Core Political Ideology, also ... a potential "President", (initially Personified in the face of Comical Theater/Cinema Actor Albert Boadella : whose "¨Presidential Address" got more than 300.000 Views in "YouTube"),

 

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"Tabarnia" (whose "Official" Twitter Account -among Many- has now almost 60.000 Followers), however, particularly after the Success of its March 2018 Popular Demonstration (whose Organizers revendicate about 200.000 Participants),

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and some 110.000 Web Viewers of its Press Conference in EU Parliament during the latest EU Summit in Brussels on 22/3/2018,

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as well as 648.000 Mentions of its Name in Twitter only Last Christmas already, nowadays Cited by "BBC", "EuroNews", etc., it might Become a quite Serious Affair, sooner or later.


"Tabarnia" has, at least, the Merit to substitute rapidly wide-spreading Critical Public Debate, with a sense of Humour based on Serious Facts, to Abrupt Unilateral Moves by a Minority Risking to provoke Dangerous Violent Conflicts, and, at any case, it has certainly Not Stopped from making People Speak about her !...

 

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Last, but Not Least : Facts even indicate that "Tabarnia" Supporters' Wish to get rid from what they percieve (Rightfully of Wrongly, More or less) as a Band of Money-Driven Selfish Egoists, and/or Hypocrits, Oppressive (f.ex. the Exclusion of the Spanish Language from Official Documents in a Secessionist Catalonia, etc), Violent, Corrupted, etc., as an Explicit Cartoon published by "EuroNews" clearly shows (See relevant ScreenShot+ attached herewith), may be, in substance, much More Right than they think :
 
 
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>>> Indeed, the Notorious "Star" of Catalonian Separatists, Carles Puigdemont, has been Born, Worked Most of his Life, and was Elected as Local Representative (to Catalonia Region), always Based at the far away, remote Province of Girona, (at the extreme North-East of Spain, close to France's Borders : I.e. exactly there where came from also the notorious "Imam" of Ripoll City's radicalized Mosque, Together with a Band of other Deadly Islamist Terrorists, that he Led towards the Recent atrocious Massacre which Cowardly Targetted innocent Civilian People in Barcelona (i.e. inside "Tarbania"'s Area) on August 2017, Killing more than 15 and Wounding + 130 Persons ! (A Massacre which, obviously, could have been Much More Deadly and Destructive, reportedly Targetting also the World-Famous Christian Church of "Sacred Family", if that Imam had Not made a Blunder, by Exploding his shelf-made Bombs before reaching his real Target... See : http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/barcelonaterrorrevealseuropeanpoliticalproblem.html).
 
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>>> Astonishingly, Puigdemont was Born at Amer City, between Ripoll City (Base of that Terrorist RingLeader Imam), and Girona City, all of them Located very Near to EachOther and inside that Province of Girona, in Catalonia, at the North-East of Spain, facing the French Borders, (See relevant MAP), but Out of, and Far Away from the "Tabarnia" Area, where the Victims of that Massacre were Located...
 
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Puigdemont reportedly Worked as a Journalist "in Various Local Publications" from 1982, Before becoming, Later-on, Head Editor of one among the Local Medias at Girone : "El Punt" (now Extinct), infamous for having been "the Most Heavily Subsidized by the Catalan Region's Government", as "Wikipedia" Denounces. This Helped him to find a Job, for a while (1999-2002), as Head Editor of a Regional "Catalonia News Agency", totaly Owned by that same Catalan Government, before Falling Back Down to the Provincial Level, Briefly apointed as Head of a Cultural Center run by Girona City, (2002-2004).

Shortly Afterwards, he Starts a Political Career at the Lowest Local Level, in the Municipal Council of Girona, before becoming Mayor of Girona City (2007-2011+), while, almost at the Same Time, he had been elected as one among the Representatives of Girona Province to the Catalan Region's Assembly.
 
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After Waiting until 2016, then, Suddenly, he is Propulsed at the Head of Catalonia, as President, by a Deal Between his Party, CDC, (currently PDeCAT), and the Small Leftist CUP Party, several  Members of which were already Known for their Relations with Controversial local ...Muslim Lobbies, including even with Persecuted and Condemned Dangerous Extremist Islamists, accused to be Mixed in Terrorism, (See : http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/barcelonaterrorrevealseuropeanpoliticalproblem.html).

Key Members of that CUP Party (thanks to which Puigdemont got the Top Job in Catalonia) had Earlier Worked with some Lobbies of Muslim Aliens pushing towards a Right to Vote for Foreign Immigrants to Local and Regional Elections, and even, in order to Free from Prison for Jihadist and Terrorism-related activities, a Butcher - Imam of a Suburb of Barcelona who had been in the Past the ... Indoctrinator of Ripoll's Imam, the radicalized Islamist Terrorism Ring-Leader from Girona Province, and Guide of Barcelona Massacre of 2017 (Comp. Supra) !

=> In Only 1 Year's Time : on 2017, Puigdemont pushed for an UnPrecedented and illegal Unilateral Secession Referendum in Catalonia, which provoked a Serious Crisis in Spain, with obvious potentially Dangerous Repercussions all accross Europe...

Sighnificantly, these Sudden 2016 and 2017 Big Upheavals, (Puigdemont's Election to Catalonia Region's Presidency on 2016, and the subsequent 2017 illegal Referendum for Unilateral Secessionism and Independence, added to the August 2017 Barcelona Massacre by Islamist Terrorists Cowardly Targetting Civilian People : Comp. Supra), Occured shortly Afther the Local/Regional Elections of 2015, where those (CUP and Others) Local Politicians who had Earlier (f.ex. between 2007-2011, etc) worked with the above-mentioned Foreign Muslim Lobbies and/or even Convicted Islamist Extremists, Jihadists and Terror suspects (including the InDoctrinator of Ripoll's Imam, the Ring-Leader of Barcelona Massacre : Comp. Supra), were Elected, for the First Time, at Key Positions in various Catalan Local and Regional Organisations, (Comp.: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/barcelonaterrorrevealseuropeanpoliticalproblem.html), while, already, "in 2013, nearly a Third (1/3) of those Arrested in Spain on Charges related to Islamic Extremism were Based in Catalonia", (according to the World-Famous British Newspaper "Guardian").
 
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+ The "Guardian" also reminds the Fact that, Back "in July 2001, two months before the 9/11 Attacks in New York, Mohammed Atta, who Led the attacks, met Ramzi Binalshibh, the Link-man between Atta’s group and al-Qaida, in Cambrils" : ... i.e. there where One among the Two Deadly Islamist Terrorist Attacks (including that in Barcelona) were Committed by Ripoll Imam's Armed Gang on August 2017 (Comp. Supra) !
 
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(Even Trump to become pro-Tabarnian ? - "Plataforma por Tabarnia"/BBC/Eurofora)
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=> From All these Facts, it seems really Possible, and even Highly Probable, that "Tabarnia"s Move Out of the Rest of Catalonia (Comp. Supra), might, indeed, Help Tabarnian People to get rid (as they Wish : See relevant Cartoon published by "Plataforma por Tarbania", shown Supra), Not Just of Corruption-related, but also of various Islamist Extremism and/or Terrorism-Related Politicians among those Catalonian Separatists...

+ And, on this occasion, Puidgemont's astonishing, Long-Term Personal and/or local Links to his remote Province of Girona, where "Local People (were) Shocked to discover (that) Barcelona Killers lived among them", (as that, above-mentioned, 2017 "Guardian" Article stressed from the outset), Might even Help to, eventually, Avoid having to use so Harsh Methods as (currently) Arresting and Jailing Puigdemont during his Transit by Car from Finland towards Belgium, through Germany, in view of a possible Extradition to the National Spanish Government :
 
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=> Thanks to the above-mentioned "Tabarnia" Popular Movement's Dream, indeed, it might, eventually, become Possible, in the foreseable Future, to Simply ...Expulse such Dangerous Separatists, as Mr. Puigdemont is accused to be, Back to his Remote Catalan Province of Girona, somewhere Between his Natal "Amer" City, and Barcelona Islamist Terrorist Massacre Ring-Leader's, Ripoll Imam's radicalized Mosque, located Nearby (Comp. Supra), i.e. far Away from a Brand-New and Independent "Tabarnia" Region of Spain, Away from Barcelona City, but Out there, in the Wilderness...
 
 
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They voted to "freeze" UK Government's draft to put People in jail for 42 Days on "anti-terrorist" suspicion without charge, or they abstained. Don't they look suspect ?
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CoE's debate on UK controversy stirs PanEuropean check of anti-terror suspects' imprisonment

Former Leftists of the Sixties would boil in hot water if they heard PACE's debate on the controversial 42 days detention without charge, currently drafted by the British Government :

A "Socialist" Government, a Socialist PACE Rapporteur and a Socialist Chair of PACE's Legal Committee, opposed a .. "Conservative" amendment (supported by .. Liberals, Democrats, etc), to freeze the measure, in order to protect Citizens' Freedom, by "waiting" until CoE's Venice Committee checks its conformity with Human Rights' principles.

"Left"'s support to Conservative-Lib.Dem's criticism, wasn't enough to obtain a majority, nor to make things as they were back in the good old days, when "Left" and "Right" had a clear meaning, as "liberty" and "restrictions"...

Conservatives and most Democrats were joined by the Left in voting for the "freeze", as well as Liberal Paul Rowen, while Socialist MEP Ivan Popescu, an experienced MEP from Ukraine (PACE Member since 1996-2008) abstained. But most Socialists, added to a few Liberals and EPP's Right, voted against.

Fortunately, someone inside PACE had the wise idea to shorten the Debate for less than 1 Hour, and put it on the Agenda only at the end of an exceptionally busy day, towards the end of the Evening, when most MEPs had already gone to taste wins and foods at various Receptions all around Strasbourg's "European" area : As a result, not even 42 MEPs weren't present..

Socialist Lord Tomlinson accused the leaders of the PanEuropean Assembly, in its highest body : the "Bureau", to "lack wisdom" by deciding to hold a Debate on an issue that neither the Socialist Chair of the Legal Committee, nor its Socialist "reluctant Rapporteur", did "not want to do", ...

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Finally, everybody (critics and supporters alike) was happy to agree, in substance, that the controversial measure "may" gravely violate Human Rights, and therefore, PACE asked Legal Experts of Venice Commission to check UK Government''s plans.

But this might take more than .. 42 Days to do, since PACE's Rapporteur asked the Experts to enlarge their study in a PanEuropean comparison of all that is happening on "anti-terrorism" legislation in 47 CoE Member Countries, including Russia, Turkey and Azerbaidjan..

Bad lack : "The existing 28 days’ detention without charge in the UK is, in comparison with other CoE member countries, one of the most extreme : In Turkey, the period is 7,5 days, in France 6 days, in Russia 5 days, and in .. the U.S. and Canada just 2 and 1 days respectively", denounced Democrat MEP Ms WOLDSETH from Norway..

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"Numerous respected human rights organisations, including Liberty and Human Rights Watch, have expressed serious concern" "The proposed legislation ...could easily lead to extensive abuses. ...Detention for 42 days means six weeks in which one is taken away from one’s family, friends, home and livelihood only to be let off without being charged. That will destroy lives and isolate communities", she added.

- "3 years ago, the UK Government sought to increase the period of pre-charge detention from 14 days to 90 days. Not long before that, it had been only 7 days. There was a vigorous debate ...and a ...compromise was reached of 28 days. We have to ask whether there are proper safeguards in place to extend the period to 42 days. I suggest that there are fatal flaws", reminded British Conservative Clappison.

- "What sort of society holds someone in detention for 42 days and does not have to tell the person who is in prison why they are there, or explain the suspicions that arose and led to their detention? What sort of society believes that that is the way to treat its citizens? That is an appalling injustice, ...A 42-day detention period will not make the UK safer. Instead, it will be the first step to giving in to terrorists; it is saying that we are prepared to sacrifice our democratic rights and the principles for which we have stood for centuries", criticized British Liberal Michael Hanckock

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"Comments made ...by Norwegian delegates are unfortunate", replied British Socialist MEP Ms.Curtis-Thomas, accusing them to "besmirch the reputation of our police force, which is one of the Best in the World", as she said, believing that "there are significant safeguards ...to ensure that individuals are not subjected to unlawful detention"

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PACE "has serious doubts whether ...the draft legislation are in conformity with the ...case-law of the European Court of Human Rights. A lack of ..safeguards may lead to arbitrariness, resulting in breaches of ... liberty and ...right to a fair trial". PACE "is particularly concerned that: ..the judge ..may not be in a position to examine whether there exist reasonable grounds for suspecting that the arrested person has committed an offence;"; that "... representation by a lawyer may be inappropriately restricted or delayed;" that "information on the grounds for suspicion of a person ...may be unduly withheld.. ;" that this "may give rise to arrests without the intention to charge;", and; in general, that "prolonged detention without proper information on the grounds for arrest may constitute inhuman treatment", says Klaus De Vries' Report, adopted with 29 votes against zero.

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