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France/Grand Debat/Gilets Jaunes: Droit Citoyen à Dialogue avant Decisions = Solution Démocratique ?

Written by ACM
Wednesday, 06 February 2019
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*Strasbourg/NewsViewpoint (+m.à.j.)/Angelo Marcopolo/- Au coeur d'une Solution de compromis possible au conflit socio-politique dit des "Gilets Jaunes" en France, (qu'on essaie de résoudre, entre autre, aussi par un "Grand Débat" actuellement en cours), pourait être la reconnaissance d'un nouveau Droit Citoyen au Dialogue avec les Autorités Publiques avant les Décisions qui affectent les persones interessées et/ou la Société dans son ensemble.  

"Eurofora" avance, analyse et soutient une telle réforme démocratique moderne, dépuis longtemps, pour l'ensemble de l'Europe. Et une serie d' appuis juridiques concrets existent déjà, aussi bien en France qu' au plan de l'UE, etc. Des recherches originales en droit public, dépuis près de 40 années, en France et ailleurs en Europe ou dans le Monde, qui arrivent bientôt à un point culminant, semblent le prouver clairement.

In s'agirait d'un vrai "Droit", guarantissant une Procedure d' information et écoute des Citoyens, doublée d'une obligation de répondre à leurs observations critiques, avant la décision finale, sous le contrôle de juges indépendants, pour le caractère suffisant, vrai et correct (p.ex. cohérent, légal, proportionel, etc) des réponses données par l' Administration Publique de l'Etat aux arguments eventuellement presentés par le Peuple.

Ainsi, (avec attention pour qu'on ne paralyse pas indument l'action efficace de gouvernements democratiquement élus avec d'eventuels abus excessivement proceduralistes, surtout dans certains domains-clé : p.ex. Sécurité/Terrorisme, Investisments Cruciaux pour le développement économique et/ou Scientifique, etc), la voie d'un Dialogue transparent Démocratique, avec utilisation aussi des Technologies Modernes de Communication, grâce au Numerique, etc, pourrait s' ouvrir à l' horizon.

Le RIC (soutenu par plusieurs "Gilets Jaunes", et d'autres), peut-être un beau "rêve" pour l' avenir, mais force est de constater qu'en réalité, même 1,5 Siècle après la Commune de Paris, la Société actuelle ne paraît pas prête à l' adopter, (au moins pas dans sa forme "complète" avec 3 volets, comme voulu par des GJ). Et ce fait ne devrait pas bloquer toute solution au conflit actuel. En revanche, une telle idée pourrait être portée par des mouvements socio-politiques d'idées, voire des Partis nouveaux, s'ils les souhaitent, et ainsi soumise aux débats d'idées démocratiques, voire même aux Votes du Peuple, ici et ailleurs, pour un avenir, qui, peut-être, ne serait pas trop lointain.

 + Entre temps, vu aussi que plusieurs "gilets jaunes" auraient déjà rejeté des débats sans vote, ni suite, certaines propositions, de lege ferenda, visent la possibilité d'un Vote, qui, en cas de réussite des contestataires, ne permetrait aux Autorités Publiques de l'ignorer et passer outre, avec des mésures (manifestement) non necessaires et/ou disproportionnées, par rapport à des intérêts légitimes importants, que pouraient évoquer les citoyens concernés. (Dans ce cas, on ne saurait craindre un soi-disant "Gouvernement des Juges", car il y aurait aussi un verdict Populaire, et des enjeux incontestablement sérieux). C'est une idée supplementaire, à examiner, creuser, peaufiner/ajuster et débattre...

 

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    An "Eugenic" loophole Amendment, which might expose to Dangers reminiscent of "3rd Reich's" notorious Genetic Abuses, hidden at the last minute inside an otherwise Good, larger Health policy Package scheduled to be voted on Thursday, was strongly denounced by a coalition of MEPs from various Political Groups and Countries, in a Press Conference held this afternoon at EU Parliament in Strasbourg.

    Mainly calling to "Select Human Embryos", via "Genetic Counselling" and "pre-implantation" Techniques including "Genetic Tests", in order to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", it might open ways to Dangerous Practices in Future, they denounced in substance.

    But they also made it clear that a much larger Report inside which this Controversial Amendment "No 15" was added in dubious circumstances, officialy destinated to struggle against "Rare Diseases", and drafted by Professor Antonios Trakatellis, was otherwise "an Excellent Report", aiming at a "completely Uncontroversial target" of Health policy on which "all MEPs and Experts are united, believing that Europe should act" to protect People's Health (See "EuroFora"'s earlier News).

    The controversy came at a particularly delicate moment for the EU in relation to Citizens, at the eve of June 2009 EU Elections, and shortly before Ireland re-votes for "Lisbon Treaty"..    

- Denouncing risks of "an Eugenic demand, very similar to what we had during the 3rd Reich in Germany, but now coming from some Scientisists themselves", German ChristianDemocrat/EPP MEP Dr. Peter Liese stressed that critical MEPs were against "Eugenic" engineering with "Selection of Human Embryos", and anything which might ultimately lead up to to a "Selection of Human Race". It doesn't help to "eradicate" Human Lives, he added.


    Several Experts and NGOs expressed "Deep Concern", as f;ex. DR M.C. Cornel of the "European Society of Human Genetics", which stressed, on this occasion, that "the importance of Non-Directiveness in Reproductive issues is a Central characteristic of Human Genetics, after the Atrocities committed in the name of Genetics in the first half or the 20th Century".

     - "This is completely Unacceptable", stressed Italian Liberal MEP Vittorio Prodi, on the Controversial Amendment, also because pushes to "eliminate early Human Life", as he noted.

     - "This opens a Dangerous Road, rather a Motorway", denounced Danish MEP Mrs Margrette Auken, from the "Greens", observing that various similar attempts were made in the Past "not only in Germany, but also in several other Countries, "even at the 1970ies", "f.ex. on forced Sterilisation of Roma" People, and other criticisable situations f.ex. in the UK, in Sweden, etc. as she said.

    + Other NGOs, as f.ex. "LebenHilfe" from Berlin, added that, among various other Risks, could also be that, by exploiting the pre-implantation Genetic Diagnostics and the Selection of "healthy" Embryos, some may "propagate" several "Eugenic" aims, starting f.ex. by pushing to eradicate Human Livies which might "Cost too much" to preserve, ultimately exposing to dangers reminiscent of the "3rd Reich"'s atrocious abuses.

    In consequence, ChristianDemocrats/EPP and "Green" MEPs "decided by Majority to vote against" this Controversial Amendment, anounced to Journalists the 5 MEPs who participated in the Press Conference, representing a wide spectrum, from Liberals to "Greens" and ChristianDemocrats, and from Hungary, Italy, Germany and Danemark up to Ireland (Gay Mitchell), etc.
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    Hungarian ChristianDemocrat MEP Laszlo Surjan said "that it was "Suddenly, at the End of the Procedure" in Committee, that "appeared this (Controversial) Amendment, which has nothing to do" with the main purpose of the Report, on which all agreed.

    He denounced an "Unhonest" move, and called to "avoid this kind of unacceptable situations". Nobody should "Select People", Surjan stressed.

    - "We (MEPs) had No Chance to Discuss" this last-minute Amendment earlier added at a Committee's level, said German MEP Peter Liese

    Speaking to "EuroFora", Dr. Liese, the Spokesman of the ChristianDemocrat/EPP Group in EU Parliament, said that MEPs didn't oppose other references of the Report f.ex. on "Genetic Tests", because they were "no proposals" to impose them, while, on the contrary, there was "a Problem" if anyone attempted to "impose" f.ex. this or that Genetic Technique and "Genetic Counselling", etc. to the People on human reproduction.
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    Controversial parts of Amendment No 15 ask mainly "to lead finally to the Eradication" of "Hereditary" "rare diseases", "through Genetic Counselling .., and ..pre-Implantation Selection of healthy Embryos".

    But  EU Rapporteur Professor Trakatellis, said to "EuroFora" that fears should be alleviated by Guarantees that all this should be done only "where appropriate", when it's "not contrary to existing National Law", and "always on a Voluntary basis", according to other Parts of the Amendment.

    He stressed that the main aim was to allow "a free and informed choice of persons involved", without imposing them anything :  - "It's not an obligatory, but advisary" text, he said.

    To make that point clear, he was ready, in agreement with many MEPs, to eventually drop at least that part of the controversial Amendment which initially called for "efforts to ..lead finally to the Eradication of those rare diseases" "which are Hereditary".

    But, until late Wednesday evening, reportedly together with many other MEPs, he stood by all the rest of the controversial Amendment, (fex. on the "Genetic Counselling" and the "pre-implantation Selection of healthy Embryos"), so that critical MEPs, going from ChristianDemocrats as Dr. Liese, to "Greens" or "Ind/Dem", observed to "EuroFora" that "this was not enough" to close the dangerous loophole.

    Particularly since, as Professor Trakatellis noted himself, "this is already allowed to the U.K.", and "other National Legislations would probably follow, sooner or later" in a similar direction. As for a general call to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", this "should happen, at any case, in practice, de facto", to protect public Health.

    On the contrary, "our goal should be to help patients suffering from rare diseases, not to eradicate the patients. In case of genetic disease risk, the decision should not be guided by scenarios" made by politicians. "Perents who may decide to accept a child, even if handicapped or with genetic disease, must be respected and supported with solidarity", critical MEPs stated.

    - "Any Pressure" to "a patient or couple (who "should be able to make an informed choice consistent with their own values"),"from health Professionals, Public Health Policies or Governemental Institutions, or Society at large, should be avoided", stresses the "European Society for Human Genetics".

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Each MEP's vote will be registered !

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The Socialist Group requested a "Split vote" on the Amendment 15, first without, and afterwards with the words "lead finally to the Eradication" etc.


    But the first "split vote" leaves intact all the other parts of the Controversial Amendment, (i.e. "Genetic Counselling", "Selection of healthy Embryos", etc).

    That's why, 3 Groups of MEPs : ChristianDemocrats/EPP, "Greens/EFA", and "Ind/Dem", have asked for "Roll Call Votes", on everything regarding the Controversial Amendment No 15, and on the final outcome of the resulting Report as amended, which will register all the individual positions to be taken by each MEP.   

Something which will obviously make each MEP think twice before voting for one or another choice, to be sure that he/she will make the right choice in front of EU Citizens, particularly at these pre-Election times...


    Crucial Votes were scheduled between 12 Noon and 1 p.m. local Strasbourg time, in the middle of a long series of various other Reports, and after a long Public Debate on the larger Health policy package, from 9 to 11.50 am.

    The specific Report inside which was hidden the controversial Amendment is due to be debated between 11 and 12 am.

    So that more last-minute Surprises may not be excluded a priori...

    Particularly at the present Historic moment, when even the Institutional Future of the EU depends on the result of a second Referendum on "Lisbon Treaty", later this year, in ...Ireland, a mainly Catholic country, where People are particularly sensitive in such kind of socio-cultural and values issues...
 

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