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EPP Secretary General +Top MEP Isturiz to EF on Victor Orban: Unity on 2019 + Discussion on 2020 ?!

Written by ACM
Thursday, 14 March 2019

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*Strasbourg/EU Parliament/Angelo Marcopolo/- The experienced Secretary General of the Biggest European Political Party, that of ChrisianDemocrats/EPP, (Headed by Joseph Daul from Strasbourg, former EPP MEPs' Chairman), Top MEP Antonio Lopez-Isturiz White from Spain, speaking to "Eurofora" Today during EU Parliament's plenary session in Strasbourg, on the "Hot" and Topical controversy on Victor Orban, popular Prime Minister of Hungary's ideas and practice at EU's Political Landscape, including Tensions by a recent Misunderstanding vis a vis Some Other EPP Members, mainly around the Crucial Issue of Mass Migration from 3rd Non-European Countries, strongly expessed his Belief that, Despite some confusing appearances, in fact, the Unity of that Party will be maintained on 2019, but this will be Followed by a Discussion on 2020 :

- "Yes ! Yes !", Positively stressed EPP's Secretary General in Reply to "Eurofora"s relevant Question whether the EPP will Succeed to "Maintain its Unity" after a Forthcoming Meeting of its Political Committee, on March 20 in Brussels, where a Minority has asked for an Exclusion of Hungary's Governing "Fidesz" Party, while Victor Orban, at the same time, reportedly also examines a possibility to eventually form, (if obliged), together with several other EPP and/or not EPP Top Politicians, a New Political Grouping, on the occasion of the forthcoming EU Parliament's Elections of May 2019.

- "But we (EPP) must have a Serious Discussion Next Year", i.e. on 2020, Isturez went on immediately to Add, in his Reply to the above-mentioned "Eurofora"s Question. He didn't yet advance so far as to clarify whether such a move would, eventually, be limited only to the "Fidesz" issue, per se, or Extend Also into a Wider Debate on EPP's Strategic Orientation in the foreseable Future, (as it seems Logical, and supported by Orban and others).

At the Focus of the Disagreement appears mainly the Mass Asylum Seekers/Irregular Migrants' controversy, with Victor Orban denouncing alleged attempts by some inside EU Commission and/or Parliament to curently Hide Draft Texts aiming to Ease Mass Migration (by "Visas", etc), Loss of Borders' Control by National Governments, and Oblige recalcitrant EU Member Countries to accept "Quotas" of Non-European Mass Migrants or face Sanctions in the Future, which risk to Surface only After the 2019 EU Election. EU Commission's Spokesman in Brussels, Margarites Schinas, has reportedly Rejected such Criticism as "Fake News", but the competent EU Commissioner Avramopoulos has not yet been cited in this regard. Orban sticks also to the "Christian" Historic Culture of Europe, and this might, indeed, indispose, eventually, some Islamistic and/or some LBGTI Lobbies, etc., but they have not yet very loudly revealed their probable opposition.

Some eventual Misunderstandings, often pushed by exagerated or inaccurate Press Reports, (as f.ex. that which recently attempted to provoke a Personal Conflict between EU Commission's President Juncker and UK's Prime Minister Theresa May, back on December 2018, but was rapidly Dissipated by Juncker when he explained to May what was the Truth, as he revealed during the Final Press Conference of Brussels' EU Summit then), made also the Hungarian Government to think that Juncker would have Backed such a Motion for Exit from the EPP, to the point to incite Budapest to Start a Campaighn of Posters showing Juncker as if he was Manipulated by Controversial Millionaire Soros, and this inevitably Fuelled Contradictions, Despite the  otherwise "Friendly" character of Juncker as Orban described him at an Interview with "Die Welt" Newspaper. However, following relevant Demands by EPP's Leading Candidate to EU Elections, Manfred Weber, Victor Orban announced that those Posters would Stop from March 15, due to be replaced by New ones, picturing, instead, the "Socialist" Candidate, EU Commission's vice-President Timermans, and Excused himself for any eventual harm that such Criticism might, perhaps, have inflicted to any members of the ChristianDemocrat/EPP Family.

Meanwhile, Victor Orban's "Fidesz" Party has repeatedly Won 3 Elections in a row, once with More than 40% and Twice with More than 50% of the Votes, becoming the Most Popular ChristianDemorat/EPP Party accross the 38 EU Member Countries. Inside the EPP, 10 Small/Medium Parties out of a Total of 80, (among which is Not included Not even One Head of State/Government), have reportedly asked to Oust Hungary. They represent 58 Votes in EPP's Political Committee, which is competent to decide, and has 262 Voting Members. On the Contrary, the French and Italian ChristianDemocrat/EPP Parties (of Alain Wauquiez and Silvio Berlusconi), reportedly Oppose such a Motion, as well as the Austrian, "Visegrad" Countries' (including Poland) EPP Parties, while it's not backed, no more, by the German CDU/CSU, and the Spanish apparently have not yet pronounced themselves explicitly.

Since the recent 2015/2016+ Mass Asylum Seekers/Irregular Migrants UnPrecedented Huge "Tsunami" mainly through Turkey, Followed also by an equally UnPrecedented Multiplication of Deadly Islamist Terrorist Attacks cowardly Targetting innocent Civilian People throughout Europe, even until Nowadays (including, f.ex., the December 2018 Massacre in Strasbourg, the March 2019 Killings in Utrecht, etc), Added also to Various other kinds of Aggressions, Rapes, Harassment, etc, have Notoriously brought that Specific Mass Migration Problem at the forefront of EU Citizens' fears and concerns this time.

But Victor Orban's Hungarian Constitutional reform (as well as in Several Other EU Countries a.o. recently) in favour also of Europe's Christian roots, Natural Family, Human Embryos, etc, Add another, "BioEthical" Factor, in the equation, particularly Needed Recently, as a trend towards Artificial Births under any Pretexts, easily Controlled by Technocrats etc, at the Same Time that Heritable "Gene Editing" Technologies affect even Future Generations' GermLine, with Serious Risks not only on Health but also against Humanity.

 Isturiz's brief but substantial Meeting came, by a Timely Coincidence, just after rapidly crossing EPP's Spitzen-Kandidat in 2019 Election, Manfred Weber, following Today's EU Parliament Votes, who Kindly Saluted "Eurofora" with a Smile, recently Back from his Last Tuesday's visit to Budapest, where he reportedly Discussed with Orban (who confirmed that he still Backs Weber for New EU Commission President) the possibilities of a possible working Compromise inside the EPP Family,  even if some points still seem to require further care.

 

 

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ECHR's President to "EuroFora" on Journalists Gongadze and Adali murders : Principles must apply to all States, without discrimination.


+ ECHR's Statistics on Freedom of Expression (See below).


 European Court of Human Rights' President, Jean-Paul Costa, questioned by "EuroFora" on Journalists' murders, as in Gongadze and Adali's cases etc., strongly stressed all CoE Member States' obligation to make efficient Investigations to find and punish those responsible, and underlined that ECHR's case-law's principles must apply to all without any discrimination.

His call was clearly supported by various Top MEPs who denounced a risk of "Double Standards" if some Journalists' murders are investigated, while others don't.

To avoid such risks, CoE's Parliamentary Assembly adopted a Resolution, on the occasion of Ukranian Journalist Gongadze's murder, "stressing", as a matter of general Principle, "the importance it attaches to the safety of Journalists and political activists, especially those linked to opposition groups, in ALL member states of the CoE". All "crimes against journalists and political activists must be investigated ... as a matter of priority, without political interference".

Costa was replying to "EuroFora"s question on the fact that, after CoE's Committee of Ministers, also CoE's Assembly had just adopted a Resolution on Gongadze murder case, based on an ECHR's judgement of 2005, asking a full Investigation from Ukraine, who has found and condemned  in 10 years of jail 2 executants, but not yet the instigators.

While nothing similar was yet done for dissident Turkish Cypriot Kutlu Adali's murder, with 5 bullets shot at his head out of his Family's home in the territories of Cyprus occupied by Ankara's army, despite another ECHR's judgement of the same year 2005, and despite Turkey's claim that nobody was found among those responsible for the murder, and that there was nothing more to do..

In order to be credible and efficient, CoE's mechanisms shouldn't find a way to at least ask for full investigations of all Journalists' murders anywhere they might be committed, without exceptions ?

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- "On the larger question that you raised, I'd like to say, since we are in a period of stock-taking on ECHR's 50 Years, that the Court's case-law developed certain concepts ....such as the Positive obligations of States, part of which are also the procedural obligations", started to reply ECHR's President.

 - "Whenever Journalists, Lawyers, Defenders of Human Rights, or even simple Citizens are murdered, the States are held responsible, not only if its their own security forces' agents who committed these murders, but also if they didn't make sufficiently substantial and efficient Investigations", he stressed.

- "I want to strongly underline that we (ECHR) have found in many cases numerous violations of Articles 2 and 3 against States, ....(about) murders or torture, ...because they didn't make enough Investigations in order to try to find and punish those responsible".

- "We (ECHR) do that vis-a-vis all 47 (CoE) Member States, without any discrimination".

"Naturally, the circumstances in each particular case may be differend, and we can't ommit to apply the rules of proof, or the rules of criminal procedure".

"But we try, by all means, to apply these principles of our case-law, to all States", he concluded.

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      Costa's call was strongly supported by several Top CoE MEPs, from various Political areas


- "To investigate the murder of one Journalist, and not of another, looks like Double Standards", denounced the President of EuroLeft Group in CoE's Assembly, Dutch MEP Tiny Cox.  

- "What is the reason ? Politics or specificity of a case ? Of course, if Cyprus and Turkey are involved, it's always a Political case"..

- "Murders of Journalists should always be fully investigated, because killing Journalists is not only killing persons, but also killing Free Press".  "We (CoE's Assembly) should do our outmost to help People who are working on Free Press and they are under threat or murdered".

Because for Free Politics, Free Press is a pre-requisitive : Parliamentarians  cannot  function without a Free Press. Not investigating, is not protecting ourselves".

So we should investigate all Journalists' murders : We are talking about Gongadze, about the Cypriot man (Adali), about the Journalist murdered in Moscow one week ago, etc", Cox concluded

- "CoE can' look at these cases differently. CoE can't wear Blinckers  !".
- "If the one is investigated, so has to be also the other. Why there wasn't full investigation ? Why's that ?", wondered British  Socialist MEP, Alan Meale.

- "A good idea" would be to "make a Motion for Resolution", and "join all Journalists' murders. Adali and Gongadze etc", said to "EuroFora" EU Parliament Political affairs Committee's President, Goran Lindbland, ChristianDemocrat MEP from Sweden.


(See also earlier News at "EuroFora" on similar issues).
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ECHR's Statistics on Freedom of Expression :


    Almost Half of condemnations by ECHR for violations of Freedom of Expression in 2008, concern Turkey : 20 out of a total of 48 for all CoE's Member States.

    Russia, Poland, France and Moldova were condemned only 3 times. Romania, Greece, Portugal, 2 times, and the other CoE Member States only 1 time, or none.
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    During the last Decade : 1998 - 2008, Turkey was condemned for violating Freedom of Expression in ..169 cases, while Austria only in 24.

    France and Moldova in 14 and 13, respectively, closely followed by Russia and Poland with 11 and 10, respectively. The rest of CoE Member States had less than ten condemnations.    
    

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