

Prime Minister Orban (Hungary) to EF: Yes to European Referendum, but Better many National Referenda

*Bratislava/1st EU 27 Summit/Angelo Marcopolo/- Reacting to Socialist MEP and currently EU Parliament's President, Martin Schulz's rejection of a National Referendum Critical to some EU Policies in "Hot" Issues, such as the recent Mass Migration through Turkey Controversy, (as itresults from his Reply to a an "Eurofora" Question, earlier Today, (See : http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/euparliamentpresidentoncitizensandbratislavasummit.html), the very Popular Prime Minister of Hungary, ChristianDemocrat/EPP Victor Orban, (who has been Brillantly re-Elected by Large Majority of his People's Votes, Both in National and European Elections), took a Strong stance on an "Eurofora" Question, during his Press Conference at the End of Bratislava 1st Summit of 27 EU Member States' Leaders, about whether he would Back "a European Referendum", giving a Chance also, f.ex. to French, German, or even British, a.o. EU Citizens to have a Say on an Issue which notoriously Affects them too :
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- "Mr Prime Minister, you spoke, Earlier this Morning, with EU Parliament's President, Mr. Schulz, who Told us that, as a matter of Principle, he was Against any National Referendum which might, eventualy, Block a EU Decision, while, however, also whishing that EU Citizens have a Say before EU Decisions", "Eurofora" reminded to Orban, (See President Schulz's relevant Reply to "Eurofora"s Question, at : ....).
=> - In that case, "would You be in favor, for what you defend, of a European Referendum, on the Same (Topical) Issues, or Other, where All European People", f.ex. "also French, German, Hungarian or British People, and others, would like to have a Say ? Do you Think that it wouldbe a Good Idea to Advance in This Way ?", "Eurofora" asked Prime Minister Victor Orban.
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- "First of all, let me Answer by reminding the fact that Our Fight, which, according to Our Constitution, which Provides a Chance for Our Citizens to Express their Opinion", the Hungarian Prime Minister reacted immediately.
+ In Fact, this is "a Breaking Point", "Because ... the (Mass) Migrants' Issue is linked also to Our National Identity". And "Identity Belongs to the People. Not to an Elite !", Victor Orban stressed in Reply to "Eurofora"s Question, speaking as a matter of General Principle.
- "Second, I must Say, that a European Referendum, as (EU) Institutions are until Today, is very Weak", particularly "Compared to a National Referendum", he Warned.
- "If that would have Not been the case, so that a European Referendum would have a Real Chance to Influence Decisions in Brussels", then, "I would Definitively Say <<Yes !>>", Orban honestly Agreed.
- "But, under the Circumstances" of Today, "it has Not a Real Sense", at least as far as Political Efficiency is concerned, he pointed out.
=> - "Thus, we could have several National Referenda" in various EU National States, "But, anyway, I'm not an Adviser to Other Sovereign Countries", Victor Orban Highlighted as a Possibility, but leaving it up to each EU Member State's independent decisions.
>>> - "So", as things stand, it's better, Now, "to give some Advise to the Hungarian People, and Tell them : Please, Make all due Efforts so that we will be Able to Defend our Identity !", the Popular Prime Minister of Hungary launched a Vibrant Call to his Citizens, in Conclusion to his Reply to "Eurofora"s Query (See Above).
Indeed, this isan Issue which "concerns (also) Our (Historic, Cultural and Religious) Identity", as he underlined, speaking also in favor of the "Visegrad" Group of EU Countries' Critical stance on such Topical matters, notioriously "Hot" nowadays, throughout all Europe, as both the UK's "BREXIT" Referendum, and an Unprecedented Series of various Islamic Extremist Terrorists' Violent Attacks against Innocent Civilian People in Many European Countries during this Summer 2016, added to a lot of Converging Polls almost everywhere throughout main and/or key EU Member States, clearly indicate.
Victor Orban said that to "Eurofora" at the Aftermath of the International Day for Democracy, (celebrated by the UNO and several Regional Organisations, Governments, Human Rights/Rule of Law/pro-Democracy NGOs and Activists, etc, all over the World).
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Former "Green-Red" German government's Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer's job at the controversial Turkish pipeline "Nabucco" was denounced as "not proper", "very bad", and "incompatible with Democracy", by the new President of EU Parliament's EuroLeft Group, German Lothar Bisky, replying to an "EuroFora" question.
For once, criticism of Joschka Fischer's doings with Turkey affecting Europe, didn't come only from the Center-Right of the political spectrum, but even from his Left side : The experienced Bisky, who has been chairing all over 1993-2009 the PDS - Die Linke party :
- "Former Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer got involved in dealings with oil-gaz business in a foreign country, Turkey, and its controversial Nabucco pipeline. This raises questions about Democracy, also because of the well known problems of Human Rights violations in that country. Do you thing that this might be abused in order to cover up and close EU's eyes on Human Rights violations ?", "EuroFora" asked Bisky.

- "Nabucco pipeline is (only) at the planning stage". And "there are some difficulties", he observed from the start. But "'I don't want to get into the details of Nabucco pipeline, because I don't think that there is any point for it at the moment".
At any case, "we (EU Parliament's EuroLeft Group) strongly believe that Politicians should not get involved in the Energy Business, and all these commercial transactions", President Bisky declared on the Joschka Fiischer's affair.
- "We feel that it's something that shouldn't be done. It's not proper !"
- "We don't think that it's compatible with Democracy either, and it gets politics into a very Bad track", Bisky went on to denounce.
- "EuroLeft and "Die Linke" always spoke against that, saying that politicians should not get directly into the arms of private enterprises"
- "It is pretty bad if a former Minister takes a job f.ex. in a major Energy producer. So, it's an issue if a Minister who may have seen excellent opportunities, subsequently gets personally grasp of them, in very serious parts of the economy, once he has given up his (Government) job."
- "It doesn't really make politics in general look any better'", Bisky concluded.

Earlier, this week in Strasbourg, other Journalists had also raised critical questions on former Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer's involvement in the conroversial Turkish Nabucco pipeline to the President of his own EuroParty : Kohn-Bendit of the "Greens", who, contrary to Bisky, tried to find excuses for Fischer, while criticizing his long-time partner, Schroeder for having done a similar move :
- "Shroeder was chancellor", and he "negociated" with "Russians", who gave him a job only "3 Months" after he resigned from the Government. While "Joschka Fischer", on the contrary, got a job with the controversial Turkish Nabucco pipeline only "4 Years after" he left the Government. "He didn't negociate Nabucco", so I have "no objection", Kohn Bendit claimed.
But, many Facts indicate the contrary :
Joschka Fischer was Foreign Minister in Germany from 1999 up to 2005 : I.e. from the year that EU took the controversial decision to give Turkey a "Candidate" status, until he year it started controversial "accession negotiations, (later declared "open-ended" after Sarkozy-Merkel's arrival from 2005-2007).
During that period was prepared the controversial so-called "Annan" Plan (in fact, drafted by others and attributed afterwards to the former UN SG) on Cyprus, which failed after a Popular Referendum said "No" on 2004 with a large Majoriy of 3/4 : 75%. Mainly because it was criticized for making too much concessions to the Turkish side : Particularly by restricting Greek Cypriot Refugees' Human Right to return to their ancestral Land and/or get restitution of their Familiy Homes and private properties, usurpated by Ankara's Army since the 1974 militay invasion and continuing occupation of the northern part of Cyprus. And by weakening the Central Government, leaving to 2 "constituent States" so much powers and separate interests that more conflicts appeared inevitable, provoking the danger of a break-down in the foreseable future, with more crisis, troubles, perhaps bloodshed, etc., instead of creating an harmoniously integrated, really one federal State.
The controversial Plan was finalized on March-April 2004 at Burgenstock (Switzerland), curiously in the presence of an Envoy by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Germany, then governed by Joschka Fischer, but in the absence of a French and not even an European Union's Envoy, contrary to what was usually practiced on similar occasions in Switzerland (fex. in 1997 at Montreux, in 2000 at Geneva, etc).
Turkey notoriously exploited the failure of the "Annan" Plan in order to convince the EU to decide to start accession Negotiations on December 2004. This provoked an unprecedented series of Institutional Crisis inside the EU, shortly afterwards, when French and Dutch People rejected, 2 popular EuroReferenda by a majority "'No" vote to the EU Constitutional Treaty on 2005, aggraveted in 2004 a Majority Abstention to EU Elections, etc., followed by the recent Irish "No", etc.
"Nabucco" Gas pipeline was notoriously planned since ..2002. It follows an even earlier idea, for an Oil pipeline Baku-Ceyhun, which started to be prepared on 1999-2001 and was meanwhile recently completed.
So, facts indicate that what is now at stake is based on decisions made during Joschka Fischer's term as former Foreign Minister, closely interested in Turkey's controversial EU-bid.
To the point that he now practically ...switched jobs with a poliician from Turkey, (the State which pays today openly Joschka Fischer), Mr. Ozdemir, who came earlier in Germany, got fast the nationality, and became EiuroMP in a few years, continuing now as head of the "Greens" in Germany, i.e. in Joschka's former job !...
Such astonishing facts risk, unfotunately, to give to German politician Lothar Bisky's criticism of representative Democracy a topical meaning :
- "We (EuroLeft Group) think that what is really at stake is Democracy. It's not only about Gas Pipelines or Energy sources", President Lothar Bisky went on to add in his reply to "EuroFora"'s question on Joscka Fischer's personal interests in the controversial Turkish "Nabuco" pipeline.
Such facts, "make People get more distance from Politics. ...People had had enough, and they are fed up !".
- "That's why we (EuroParliament's "EuroLeft" Group) want to strengthen Direct Democracy in Europe. Citizens should be involved in the (EU) Decision-making. In the end of the day, it's not going to help anyone if Politicians are always taking decisions, without involving Citizens. We want to give a voice to the People of Europe. They've got to have their say in the decisions that are taken. That's one of our absolutely fixed and steadfast views. We want more Direct Democracy in Europe. That's how it can become more effective and stronger", he concluded.
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