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CoE Head Jagland to EuroFora: Meeting UNSG Ban Ki Moon after PACE vote for Pol.Solution to Syria War

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04. 10. 2012.

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 *Strasbourg/CoE/Angelo Marcopolo/(+partly Updated on 5/9/12)/-  Speaking to "EuroFora" just after a Resolution adopted with a strong Majority by CoE's  Parliamentary Assembly, calling for a "Political Solution" to the "War" in Syria, the Head of the PanEuropean Organization, Thornbjorn Jagland from Norway, expressed his intention to discuss with UNO's Secretary General, Ban Ki Moon, in a few Days in Strasbourg, the need to find "an International Solution" on Syria, according to a Double Mandate that he now holds both from CoE's MEPS and Foreign Ministers, as he told us, while Turkey was apparently heading, on the contrary, towards even more Bilateral, Military, Deadly clashes, as it was anounced almost at the same time.


- "Eurofora" asked Jagland if he intends to start using the official Mandate that has just given on Syria CoE's PanEuropean Assembly , by adopting a Resoilution which launches a call in favour of a "Political (and Not Millitary) Solution", to the "Civil War" (as an Amendment adopted at the last minute denounces) going on in Syria.


 - "It's not only the (CoE's) Parliamentary Assembly, but also the (CoE's) Committee of Ministers, which has given ... such a Mandate on Syria", replied Jagland to "EuroFora"s Question.


 - Indeed, most Recently, "there is a very Clear attitude from the (CoE's Committee of) Miinisters, that we (CoE) should Call for an International Solution to this Conflict" about Syria, pointed out Jagland replying to "Eurofora"'.


+ COE's Head, also agreed positively with "EuroFora" that, therefore, "Yes, of course", he "shall use the opportunity of (his) forthcoming meeting with UNO's Secretary General, Ban Ki Moon, during the next few Days in Strasbourg, on the sidelines of the 1st World Democracy Forum, scheduled from 5 to 11 October 2012 in Strasbourg, discuss with him "in order to try to advance forward the PACE's  and CM's position for a Political Solution on Syria,


which should, moreover, be "International", as he told us, i.e. apparently very Different from the Bilateral, Military Attacks obviously preferable to Ankara, including repeated, systematic Bombings by the Turkish Army, which have just provoked, yesterday Night and this Morning, "many Killings", as it was reported by the independent Syrian Human Rights' Organization.
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+ Earlier, - i.e. Before Today Afternoon's Decision by Ankara to continue Deadly Bombings against various targets inside Syria, and to give a green light even to more and other Military Operations by the Turkish Army vis a vis its neighbouring Country,-

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  Jagland, referring only to "the developments that had taken place Yesterday", (i.e. the Bombs which reportedly "killed at least 48 and wounded more than 100 People" in Alep, Syria, followed by Rockets fired from an unidentified origin, at a Turkish village killing 3 persons, to which the Turkish Army reacted by opening Fire against several Targets inside Syria chosen by Military Radars, and killing "Many Victims", according to Independent NGOs), had just said in a Press Conference with Strasbourg Journalists, including "EuroFora", at the request of a collegue, that Facts "show how Serious this Conflct is, because the Danger is also spreading to the Neighbouring Countries, and, therefore, once again, we (CoE) call All the parties (i.e. Turkey included) to Stop Hostilities, and, also, on the International Community to find an Agreement on how to Stop Hostilities and find a Political Solution to this conflict".


Previously, CoE's Website published another Note in which Jagland denounced, as a matter of general principle, "the Loss of Lives in a CoE's Member State" as "Deplorable", and added his "sincere Condoleances to the Turkish Government", as well as to "the relations of the Victims", (eventually meaning both a Family in Turkey and the Families concerned in Syria, where Turkish Army's and other Bombings were reportedly massive and repeated : Comp. Supra).

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- UNO's reactions : + "Al Quaida" ?
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    - Initially, UNO Secretary General, Ban Ki Moon's Spokesman had issued an official statement at New York, denouncing the "Atrocious Terrorist Bombings in Alleppo .. which Killed Dozens of People, including Civilians", as well as an "increasing" "Threat to International Peace", launching a "call on all concerned to abandon the use of Violence, .. and exert all efforts to move towards a Political Solution".


    - Later on, UNO's Highest body, the Security Council, "Condemned <<in the Strongest terms>> the Terrorist Attacks, which took place on Wednesday", against the "Syrian City of Aleppo, causing Dozens of Deaths, and leaving more than a Hundred Civilians Injured".

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    - UNO's Security Council "noted that  .. an Islamist .. group affiliated with the Al-Quaida Terrorist Group, had claimed Responsibility for the Attack" against the Syrian City surrounded by Turkey's borders whose Entry Posts were taken over by Rebels (See MAP), where, "at least 2 Car Bombs reportedly Explosed on Wednesday in Allepo's main ... Square, and another (3rd) Bomb Exploded a few Hundred meters away, Killing at least 48 People".

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    + According to Syrian sources, more than ...3.500 kg of Explosives (!) and 2 Shells were used in 3 successive Bombings, against People going to their Daily Work, including Students and Pupils heading to Universities and Schools, killing 48 People and injuring more than 221. Damas asked "the International Community" to "condemn" such "Barbaric Terrorist acts", and to "take Measures against the Executors and those who Support" such "Terrorist and Criminal Gangs", .. who are fleeing into Syria".

 

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    - Thus, "UNSC reaffirmed that Terrorism .. constitutes one of the most Serious Threats to International Peace and Security", while "acts of Terrorism are Criminal and Unjustifiable, regardless their Motivation, wherever, whenever and by whomsoever committed", expressing its Member Countries' "Determination to Combat All forms of Terrorism, in accordance with its Responsibilities under the UN Charter", but in compliance with "International Human Rights,  Humanitarian, and Refugee Law".
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    + Meanwhile, Ban Ki Moon had been "contacted by Telephone by Turkey's Foreign Minister, A. Davutoglu", and, "in additiion to expressing his Condoleances at the "Tragic Loss of Life", which, "according to Media Reports .. killed several (5) People, including a Child, .. and seriously wounded others, after Mortar Fire from Syria, (where clashes between Armed Rebels and the Country's Authorities were unfolding), hit the town of Akcakale in Turkey's ... Border with Syria", he also "calls on the Syrian Government to Respect fully the Territorial Integrity of its Neighbours, as well as "on All parties, to Reduce Tensions and to forge a Path toward a Peaceful resolution", his spokeman added, reminding that UNO's Head "repeatedly Warned that the .. Militarisation of the confict .. is leading to Tragic Results". That's why,, Ban Ki Moon "encouraged the (Turkish Minister to keep Open all channels of Communication with the Syrian Authorities, with a view of Lessening any tension".


    Already, UNO's Security Council had earlier used the same terms as for the initial, Terrorist multi-Bombing Attack against the Syrian City of Aleppp (Comp. Supra), in order to "condemn" also the subsequent  "Shelling by the Syrian Armed Forces of the (nearby) Turkish Town of Akcakale" , (hit by "a Stray Shell" according to Russian sources, or "from unknown -or unclear- origin", according to other mainstream Media), "which resulted in Deaths of 5 Civilians, all of whom were Women and Children, as well as a number of injuries", expresssing its sincere Condoleances". UNO's SC "called on the Syrian Government too fully Respect the sovereignityt and Territorial Integrity of its Neighbours", (reminding an obviously Basic Principle, concerning also Turkey's notorious policies, vis-a-vis Iraq, Greece, Cyprus, Syria, etc), and "demanded that such Violations of International Law Stop immediately".


    But, despite the fact that, at the same time, UNO's Security Council clearly "called for Restraint", nevertheless, Turkey  repeated its Military Strikes against Syria, this time on the occasion of a mere "stray Shell on a Field" located at the Borderline of the Conflict-striken Syria, (where nobody was injured).

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Meanwhile, CoE's Assembly had voted with a Large Majority, despite the opposal of most Turkish MEPs, to clearly confirm a vibrant Call on Turkey to Stop Hindering the application of the International Geneva Convention on Refugees also to People fleeing Violence from Syria, none of whom can get a Legally Protected Status of Refugee, according to UNHCR Standards, because of Ankara's "regretful" refusal to lift the Exclusion that it currently imposes against all Displaced Persons from Asia, Africa, America, etc., thus abandoning legally Unprotected all People obliged to flee deadly clashes in Syria, provoked by a now "fully-fledged Civil War", as CoE Assembly's Resolution clearly stressed for the 1st time Today.

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Jagland, an experienced former Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of Norway, is also a long-time President of the World-famous Oslo Committee for the Nobel "Peace Prize",


 i.e. with an obviously delicate Moral Responsibility to be as fair and efficient as possible, as Head of Organizations dedicated to Human Rights and Peace.

 

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(NDLR : "DraftNews", as already sent earlier to "EuroFora"s Subscribers/Donors. A more accurate, full Final Version may be published asap.)

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