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Snowden to EF(2):Laugh+Too Long" Reaction on Q/A if Mueller Spies Trump not 4 but 20 Years:From 9/11

Written by ACM
Friday, 15 March 2019

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*Strasbourg/CoE/Angelo Marcopolo/- "Too Long", and "did Not get All of it": It's with such Symbolic, Key Words that World Famous American WhistleBlower for Human Rights and Democracy, Edouard Snowden, (After having spontaneously "explosed" with an exceptionally Big Laugh, earlier, when he First Heard about it : See relevant Photo+Video), left "without comment" the Hypothesis that "Special Investigator" Mueller might, perhaps, Continue to Spy on, and "Investigate" even new US President Don Trump, not only during "4 Years" now (2016-2019), but, in fact, as long as ..."20 Years" (See relevant Facts Infra), as "Eurofora" had, provocativelly but factually Questioned in the 2nd of two Queries raised during a Direct Video-Debate at a CoE Conference organized in Strasbourg by French National Assembly's vice-President, MEP Sylvain Waserman, and the experienced Head of CoE's Parliamentary Assembly's Human Rights' Committee, Gunter Schirmer, from Germany, (See f.ex.: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/whistleblowersineuandcoe.html , etc, and for Snowden's full Reply to a Different Question by "Eurofora" on anOther Issue, at: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/snowdenfriendshelpwhistleblowers.html).

 

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But, Facts are Facts, and a Question is Legitimately raised by simply examining the real Situation : Indeed, "Eurofora"s relevant Query to Snowden, had simply asked him if, given his Experience, he found "Not Excluded", that even simple Critics of at least Some Points of the "Official Version" on what really happened during the "9/11" Islamist Terrorist Attacks, (which has notoriously faced Many and Various Kinds of Criticisism, here or there : Including even by German ChristianDemocrat Chancellor Angie Merkel's current Press Spokesman, previously Journalist !), might, eventually, have been routinely Spied upon, by Mr. Robert Mueller's agents, (the Current controversial "Special Investigator" on alleged "Russian Interference" in the 2016 US Elections, in "collusion", or not, with New US President Don Trump), since Mueller was, then, (i.e. Back on 2001+), Head of the FBI.

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=> In that case, this might, practically, mean, that POTUS Don Trump would have been, in fact,  "Investigated" (alias "Spied upon") by Mr. Mueller "not only 4 Years" (2016-2019), i.e. since the Latest US Presidential Election, "but during ... 20 Years !", i.e. since 9/11 : 2001-2019, as "Eurofora" had observed earlier in 1 of our 2 Questions to Snowden, obviously highlighting (with an ironic but serious smile) the Absurd character of such a possible situation, if it, eventually, it became true...

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>>> Why ? Simply because the current US President has notoriously been, himself, one among the 1st and most Famous Critics of at least 1 Key point in the Official Story on 9/11, particularly because he Strongly Criticized the Way that "World Trade Center"'s Towers' Collapse in a vertical free Fall (which Killed about 3.000 innocent, Civilian People), as he had clearly said and Discussed in Public, then, almost "Live", Commenting at a TV Program, immediately after that Tragic Event, particularly that Strange Way the WTC Towers went Down, one by one, 100% Vertically, withOut falling aSide, and by being Spectacularly Transformed into a strange kind of White Powder, (even from the Top), dispersing around in a kind of "Clouds" of tiny Particles.

In Fact, Trump, (whose Family was dealing with Real Estate Business, HeadQuartered at New York), apparently Suspected that, in Addition to the Initial Shock and Fire provoked by Airplanes Crashed into the Upper Middle-Floors of each WTC Tower, there might have been also some kind of Supplementary, Local Accomplices, who would have intervened (f.ex. by placing Explosives and/or something else, on the doomed Buildings), in order to Completely Destroy them 100%, as it was done in fine.

According to "New York Times", it's about 1.800 People (mainly at Top Floors), who had initially Survived the First Shocks of an Airplane thrown in each WTC big Tower, but Perished atrociously, Afterwards, during the Total Collapse, (Comp. Supra).

+ Moreover, those Strange "White Clouds" of Fine Particles which Suddenly Appeared (even from the very Top) when WTC's Towers started to Collapse many Hours After the Initial Airplanes' Schock, notoriously Provoked various Serious Health Problems to the Civilian Population living around that Manhattan's area, which were, for a Too Long Period, scandalously Ignored or too Downplayed by the Public Auhorities then in charge, who practically Denied, right from the Start, Any serious Risk of Grave Sickness and/or Death, until too Many innocent People started to Fall, Afterwards, Sick (f.ex. from Pulmonary Diseases, various Cancers, etc) and/or Die, even Long After...

Even when "Eurofora"s co-Founder was at New York, back on UNO's landmark 2005 Heads of State/Government's Summit, for the 60th Anniversary of the Internationlal Organisation's Reform, (focused on the Creation of UNO's World Human Rights' Council, at nearby Geneva), i.e. 4 whole Years After 9/11, we were Surprized by the Fact, while Waiting in a Manhattan Church, Near WTC"s "Ground Floor", a suddenly announced venue of USA's State Department's Secretary (Foreign Minister), then Dr. Condoleeza Rice, for a Memorial Event on 9/11's Anniversary, a lot of Local NY Residents, Simple Authentic Civilian People, sitting all around us, were actively engaged in a "Hot" Discussion about various, unusual Healh Problems which had, reportedly, already emerged among the Local Population, (provoking Sufferings or Death)...

=> Nevertheless, it seems that it's mainly just Nowadays, towards the End of February 2019, (i.e. about 18 Years after 9/11), that New US President Don Trump Welcomed a Boost on a Federal Program of Support to 9/11's Victims and their Families, particularly in the domain, precisely, of Health...

However, former "Security" Authorities, including Mr. Mueller's FBI, had reportedly Ignored, or even Denied, from the Beginning, such serious Risks against Human Health, which had been Threatening the Civilian Population of Manhattan's "Bulb" (probably through a Polluted Atmosphere that they had been Obliged to Breath there after WTC's Collapse : Comp. Supra), already Since 9/11, until Recently !

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++ More important, Other Critics had notoriously claimed, already Since 9/11 and Aftewards, that various but converging Early Warning Informations had arrived (particularly from Europe), revealing that Islamist Extermists were reportedly Preparing a Major and Deadly Terrorist Attack, somewhere in the USA, etc, at least Since mid-August 2001 :  I.e. 1 Month Before that Mass Killing of about 3.000 People, mainly at New York, but also at Washington DC and elsewhere, in a Series of coordinated Attacks in just 1 Day, as Never Before in all US' History !

=> So that Mr. Mueller, who took office, at the Head of FBI, on September 4, 2001, (i.e. precisely 1 Week Before 9/11, and almost the Same Days that various strange "Plumbers" had been, reportedly, visiting WTC's Buildings, under pretext to make some unspecified "Maintainance" Fixes, ...shortly before the Metallic Joints of its Structure are Found Weaker than Expected, its Water Spray Mechanisms against Fires in Bad Shape, and a Recent but still Persisting Ban of Helicopter Flying, added to a Blockade of WTC's Emergency Exits to their Flat Tops for evenual Rescue, which practically Condemned some 1.200 more "Trapped" People to Death, according to "NYT" and other mainstream US Newsmedias), should not be A Priori dismissed from any legitimate Suspicion of Wrong-doing during all this Crucial period of Time...

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 A Fortiori when :

- Astonishingly, Mr Mueller, even after many Years at FBI's Direction, proved Unable to Find ...not even 1 alive Suspect for any kind of possible Local Complicity to the Mass Killings of about 3.000 People inside the USA on 9/11 ;

- Republican former US President GWBush had allowed 3 Independent Enquiries on that Controversial Issue of WTC's strange Implosion at 9/11 (Comp. Supra): By US Congress (Late 2001), USA's Architects (2002), and NIST's Federal Experts (2005).  But "Socialist/Liberal" Dems' former US President Barack Hussein Obama, on the Contrary, did Not let Any such Investigation on Any aspect of 9/11 during 2 Mandates in Office. Instead, even the Wife of a Killed Senior Officer in a Big Insurance Corporation HQ in Chicago, who had naively tried to meet Obama shortly after his Election, in order to ask for a New Enquiry on WTC's strange Implosion, and who was Leader of an NGO of 9/11 Victims' Families, was ...Killed at a strange Airplane Crash, immediately after meeting Obama !

=> Thus, IF New US President Don Trump, eventually Decided, later-on (f.ex. during 2018 - 2020), to Launch a brand New, Independent and Efficient Investigation on what really happened on 9/11, and whether there are any Unpunished Complicities, Scandalous Blunders and/or Inactions, Ommissions etc., given all the Above-mentioned Facts, very probably, Mr Mueller might Not be so Happy from the Results... So, ...Better keep Investigating on Trump, his Friends, all his Staff, and his Family, (Prosecuting and  ImPrisoning several among them, even for Unrelated petty matters Dating More than a Decade in the Past, when they hadn't even met Trump yet, and/or Threaten him, in Parallel, with "Impeachment", etc., under various Fallacious Pretexts), instead of Letting the new, Democraticaly Elected US President Free to ask himself to Investigate what he may Believe Good for the General Interest  !

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- Mr. Mueller Worked much More under "Socialist/Liberal" Dems' Barack Hussein Obama's Presidency, than under Republican GWBush's term in office, (3,5 Years with the Republicans, against 5 Years with the "Socialists/Liberal" Dems);

- He remained in charge of the FBI during all that Period of enactement and use of that System of secret Mass Surveillance of Millions of UnWarned Citizens, that Snowden dared Denounce in Public since June 2013. Mr. Mueller was Dismissed, and obliged to Leave FBI almost Immediately After that Scandal's revelation Spreads Worldwide, on September 4, 2013 ;

- Finally, Mr. Mueller was chosen and Hired, as "Special Investigator" of alleged Russian interference in the US Presidential Election" of 2016, won by Don Trump, after a relevant Decision taken by controversial US Deputy Attorney General Rud Rosenstein, ...who Owes himself a Service to Mueller for having given him the 1st Jobs in his Life, at the Attorney General's Offices, in the Past : I.e. an obvious Conflict of Interests and Exchange of personal Favours !  

(Rosenstein himself has been Denounced, recently, for having reportedly, planned, during Obama's era, to Spy on Trump since 2015, and to have considered, later-on, to push Trump out of the White House under Amendment 25, i.e. as unfit for that jobn ! Recently, Rosenstein was reportedly ready to Resign asap. on Spring 2019).

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+ Meanwhile, by a Surprizing Coincidence, US President Don Trump himself, has just taken the Initiative, exactly ...this Same Day that "Eurofora" Questioned Snowden about an eventually "Too Long" Period of "Investigations" on Trump by the FBI a.o., including by Mr. Mueller himself, (Comp. Supra), to Strongly Denounce, indeed, a Longer than expected Spying/Investigation against him, which would have Started Not from 2017 (Official Apointment of Mueller), neither from 2016 (US Presidential Elections), but, already from Earlier : ... 2015, (full Obama Administration and Primaries for the Presidential Election), while also being too Controversial and even "illegal", as he criticizes !

-  Indeed, it's on "March 15" that Trump tweeted about <<"New Evidence" revealing "that the Obama era team of the FBI, DOJ & CIA were working together to Spy on (and take out) President Trump, all the way Back in 2015>>, (i.e. Already Before the US Presidential Election). "Then, the Special Counsel (Mueller) should Never have been Appointed (on 2017), and there should be No Mueller Report", Don Trump points out. Indeed, "This was an illegal & Conflicted Investigation (i.e. full of "Conflicts of Interest" : Comp. also Supra) in Search of a crime. Russian Collusion (Hypothesis) was nothing more than an Excuse by the Democrats for Losing an Election that they thought they were going to win... THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN TO A PRESIDENT AGAIN!"

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- Meanwhile, however, Mueller's probe has reportedly brought, until recently, about 200 Criminal Charges, 39 Indictments/Guilty Pleas, and 4 Prison Sentences. + More are already in the Pipeline, or risk to appear asap.

But the Heaviest Cases are ...totaly UnRelated to Mueller's Legal Mandate on alleged collusion with Russian Interference in 2016 US Elections :

- F.ex., Paul Manafort, former Trump's Chief Campaigner's main condemnation to Prison concerns simply ...Tax avoidance accusations, allegedly Committed almost ... a Decade Before he Started to work with Trump, and involve Ukrania's internal politics.

+ Even More UnExpected, the main Charges against General Michael Flynn, a former Trumps' Advisor, do Not concern Russia, but ...Turkey !

Indeed, he, and his Business Partner, Bijan Kian, who was arrested, face accusations for Conspiracy to illegally Lobby the US Government for the sake of Foreigners, by secretly serving the Turkish Government's attempts to Change USA's Policy on self-exiled Dissident Gulen, as Ankara Paid them a sum of Money in order to seek his Extradition...

++ Similar Controversial Methods as against Manafort (Comp. Supra) were abused also by Mr. Mueller against Trump's former Lawyer, Michael Cohen : He was Harasssed and Convicted, asking Years in Jail, merely for totaly UnRelated to 2016 Elections' Russian Interference allegations, most of them committed much Earlier in the Past, (including, f.ex., Tax Fraud, Campaign Funds' Irregularities, etc).

And once Cohen had been seriously "Cornered" and sentenced to Prison with Unrelated Convictions, he was suddenly Pushed to prolonge his Testimony on the Date that Trump droped a Project in Moscow, from January to June 2016, (i.e., at any case, Before his Nomination as GOP's Candidate).


+++ Recently was Added also Roger Stone, a former Trump Campaign Agent, who was accused by Mueller for allegedly "False and Misleading" testimony on his suspected Contacts with ..."Wikileaks", after it became known that the International Organisation of World Famous "Whistle-Blower" Assange, already had many Hillary's hidden E-Mails... I.e. a Strange Accusation, from a Democracy point of view, as if Stone was Accused to Help Reveal to the Peuple the Truth !

Other indictments, (and 3 out of 4 Prison Sentences) concern Minor, almost Tiny matters:  

- As, f.ex., allegedly Inaccurate Statements made by a Greek and a Dutch Foreigners (Papadopoulos and Van der Zwaan), Merely about the exact Timing (sic !) of some among their lawful Contacts.

- Or a Latino Web Seller of Bank Accounts' Numbers, allowing to Hide Real Identities at the Internet : Mr. Pinedo at California, who is totally UnRelated to Trump !...

+ Last Year was also indicted Samuel Patton, an Independent Long-Time Lobbyist at Wash. D.C., accused to have allegedly helped an Ukranian Businessman to buy Tickets for Trump's Inauguration Events, and to have Not yet Declared Officially that he was Working also for Foreigners, (an Ommission which is, reportedly found in Many Lobbyists)...

Now, How "Russians" might "Interfere in US Elections", through Ukranian Businessmen appearing  ...AFTER those Elections have ended (Comp. Supra), ...

 ... it's only Mr. Mueller's "Genius" which could tell us !                   


  - Finally, as, obviously, it could not exist a "collusion" with "Russian Interference", withOut any Russian being involved, Mr. Mueller strived to Find at least one (1) alleged "Russian" with some Relation (as Small as it might be) with some People around Trump :

- Thus, he Found "KK", (alias : Konstantin Kilimnik"), a Young Ukranian speaking Russian, reportedly suspected for alleged relations with Moscow's Secret Services, and former occasional Collaborator to Trump's former Campaign Manager Paul Manafort, that Mr. Mueller accused for "Conspiracy" and "Obstruction of Justice" (sic !)... I.e. an Ideal Prey ?

- Unfortunately Not : In Fact, "KK", apparently did Nothing more than, Simply ...explain to 2 Foreign Clients that, as a matter of principle, Manafort's Private Company did not accept to work for Foreigners Inside the USA, but Only Abroad. That's all ! (See, f.ex. "Daily Mail", etc. On the Contrary, curiously, "Wikipedia" does Not even mention ANY Concrete Fact on "KK" alleged Behavior !)...

+ And that, reportedly concerned a remote Past of Manafort's business, Long BEFORE the US Presidential Election of 2016, almost a ...Decade Earlier, when he notoriously had some Dealings Abroad, with a former Ukranian President's entourage, and some Ukranian Oligarchs, i.e. withOut Any Relation to the 2016 Vote in the USA...

++ Moreover, the alleged "Witnesses" were European (Not USA) Politicians, and merely ..."Potential" Witnesses (i.e. Not Real, Neither Effective) according to Mr. Mueller, while, also, the alleged "Attempt" by K.K. took place as Late as on ... 2018 !

>>> I.e., to Sum up : An alleged Contact Not with American but with European Politicians ; which were Not even Witnesses then ; Not in the US but Abroad ;  related to Ukranian but Not Russian Clients ;  about an Operation Dating from Many Years BEFORE the 2016 US Elections and even Before Manafort starts to work for Trump much Later-on ; ... but in a Meeting which took place Only ...2 Years AFTER that US Election : on 2018 ; Limited into merely Confirm a Private Company's General Policy ; (Comp. Supra); according to Mr. Mueller, might be Important for Manipulating the ...2016 US Elections ! How ? ... Only Mr Mueller knows ....

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=> So, Things becoming obviously Nasty, Mr. Mueller Needed now something "Big" and Mediatic in order to Change the ambiant Impression that, Despite an awful lot of Time and Money Wasted, (some Press Sources claim about 10 Millions $ each Year !), he had Failed to Discover Anything really interesting...

- He attemped to do precisely that, on 2018, when he suddenly Indicted several ...Dozens of Russians for "Conspiracy" to various "Frauds" related to the USA, including Wire Fraud, Money Laundering (sic !), Identity Fraud, etc. And, this time, it reportedly was linked to the 2016 Elections...

>>> But, in Fact, what was it Exactly about ?

- The Indicted Persons were about Only a Dozen, and their alleged Modus Operanti (Way of Acting) was mainly Limited into Writting and Publishing through Internet's "Social Medias", etc... But, How could they manage to eventually ..."Affect" thus a Big Country as the USA with a Population of More than 350 Millions ? (Even Mueller's investigation team reportedly Admitted that they did Not Affect the Electoral Result)...

- Moreover, they were simple Individuals, Civilian People, (including also a ... "Catering" Private Business, etc !), acting Independently, and withOut Any known Link to Trump's Staff, (etc). In addition they were also Supporting Dems' Candidate Bernie Sanders, etc.

- As for some Accusations to allegedly have, sometimes, offered to Help one or another Poor US Citizen, located at a far away province, to eventually Pay a Bus, etc. in order to Join a Public Rally, and/or to have allegedly participated, in certain cases, to the popular activity of publishing some Local "Ads" in favour of Trump or Sanders, etc.,  

this Obviously is ...Peanuts, or Nothing, at least Compared to Many Millions $ reportedly Paid by various Foreign Governments to Obama or Clinton's "Foundations" and/or Pre-Electoral Funds on 2008, 2012 and 2016 !...  

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+ As that, obviously, didn't fly high, Mr. Mueller advanced further, Later-on, chosing the Date of US President Don Trump's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, on July 2018, in order to reveal that he Indicted anOther Dozen of Russians for alleged Interference in the 2016 US Elections, but, this time, he claimed to have found mainly Agents of a Russian State Security Service.

However, now it was no more for alleged Direct Interference in the US Electoral Debate, but rather for alleged Search, Findings, and Helping Publications by American Mass Medias, on Hillary's and/or "Democratic" Party Leadership's emails a.o. Computer Data, etc., reportedly Revealing various Scandalous Wrongdoings, (to the point that even the DNC's Heads had to Resign)...

- But, (according f.ex. even to the British Newspaper "Daily Mail"), the Russian President Vladimir "PUTIN RIDICULED" such alleged Mueller's Findings, (that the Newspaper don't even bothers to present analytically, contrary to other allegations, as if it was an obvious nonsense !) :

- These are mostly simple Individuals, Citizens who, may be, heard that Trump appeared to be somewhat Less Negative for their Country (Russia) than other candidates, and, naturally, they tried to support him in World Wide Web's Public Discussions, he pointed out, (particularly for the 1st Group : Comp. Supra). What's the problem ?, he wondered.

+ On Mr. Mueller's accusations for a Dozen of alleged "Agents" of the State to have reportedly "Hacked" for Hillary's and DNC's Emails and/or other Computers' Data (Comp. Supra), after Questioning the Evidence as insufficient, and observing that there is no allegationn, neither proof of eventual "Collusion" with Trump, Putin went as ar as to make even a Concrete Proposal :

- Russia and USA have concluded a Legal Treaty for "Judicial Cooperation" : Let's use it, as it's normaly done between Civilized Nations, on condition of "Reciprocity" ! We shall Help USA's Authorities to Interview those that they suspect for alleged wrongdoings, and make relevant Investigations even here, in Russia, if they accept to Do the Same for the Russian Authorities' interest to Interview a Rich Businessman, accused also for Tax Fraud and several Hundreds of Millions $ of Debt, in addition to reportedly Slandering the Russian Government also during Elections' Time, even for alleged "Murder", f.ex. in the "Magnitsky" case, in the recent Past, he reminded, proposing to cooperate in reciprocal investigations asap.

But, Despite a Positive Backing by US President Don Trump to such a proposal then, nevertheless, Nothing of this kind didn't emerge from Mr Mueller's side, (during 9 Months now)...


+ Last, but no least, the Russian President, in Concluding, pointed at the Substance of the matter;

- "After all, it seems that what they Revealed was Not Fake, but simply the Truth ! Wasn't it ? What's Bad into simply Revealing the Truth about Politicians, to the People ?", Putin reportedly Wondered.

Indeed, it seems that Neither Hillary, Nor Mr. Podesta, or the DNC, did Not ever Dispute the Truefullness of the Contents in their Emails and/or other relevant data, Published by "Wikileaks", etc.

=> Shouldn't the People know the Truth (on Public Issues and the Politicians for whom they were going to Vote) ?...

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Snowden is apparently cooperating, sometimes, inter alia, also with "Intercept"'s Journalist Greenwald, a declared Leftist, who has, nevertheless, Strongly Supported recently New US President Don Trump, against "Deep State"'s Harassment and Threats, Opposing them elementary Principles of Democracy, which exclude anyone's attempts to Hinder a Democratically Elected US President from applying the Program for which the People Elected him, (particularly in "Hot" Areas of General Interest, such as World Peace, etc : See f.ex.  ...).

Greenwald is Friend also to Famous, Historic "Guru" of Leftists Worldwide, Philosopher Noam Chomsky, who has, even himself, felt, more recently the Need to Defend Trump against his various "Deep State", UnDemocratic Persecutors' Harassment, brandissing even Higher, Otherwise, a Growing Risk of Dangerous International Tensions, and even War, (See, f.ex.: ..., etc).

It's, perhaps, the 1st Time in the History of USA that even Leftist Intellectuals felt the Need to Struggle for a Traditional Conservative Rightist, a Real Estate Businessman from a "Family Capitalism", as US President Don Trump...

Recently, Dems' Shamefull and dangerously Damaging Behavior, seeking to Slander US President Don Trump, by organizing a Public Hearing of a Controversial "Witness", (in fact a Prosecuted former Lawyer, notoriously ready to say anything that Mr. Mueller and his Cronies might desire, just to Ease the Prison Sentences threatening him), at precisely ...the Same Day that Trump was notoriously Trying to Solve the Crucial and Complicated Issue of Korea's DeNuclearisation, at a Bilateral Summit with North Korean Leader Kim in Hanoi, Vietnam, i.e. Adding Heavy Pressure over the embattled US President, with the Result to Push towards its Failure, with Dangerous Conseqences against World Peace, proved that Professor Chomsky's and Greenwald's Warnings were, unnfortunately, Right (Comp. Supra).

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"Eurofora"s 2nd Question to Snowden (Comp. Supra) might have been, indeed, "Too Long", but "Whistle-Blowing" Journalism often Needs an elementary Vital Time in order to resume hastily some Complicated Issues, while also trying to avoid too many Risks.

On the Contrary, Mr. Mueller's Oppressive Circus, obviously Threatening the American Democracy and even the World Peace, (Comp. Supra), has unequestionably Durated for Too Much, already Harmed too Many People, and must urgently Stop, at last, in one way or another, Before it might provoke Serious and Irremediable Harm also for the Society and the World.

But the Real Questions, previously Censored or Skiped during a Too Long Time, should, at last, Freely Bloshom and Flourish !

 

Without excluding also the Question : Why Mr. Mueller is so Eager to Harass the new US President Don Trump and his Staff ?

Perhaps, because he might be Afraid that Trump  (if he had enough Time to Govern without Imposed Distractions) would, eventually, ask also for an Investigation on what Mr. Mueller himself had been doing (or not doing..) since 9/11, until 2019 (Comp. Facts cited Supra) ?

Is that one of the most Important "Conflicts of Interest" that Trump has been denouncing recently ?... 

 

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People in Europe and the World expect from CoE to make a succes of its "Monitoring" for Human Rights and Democracy, despite difficulties, said Finland's President Tarja Halonen to "EuroFora" at a crucial moment for the mecanism built 15 years ago by the paneuropean organization which celebrates its 60th Anniversary in 2009.

Halonen, known as "Mother" of CoE's "Monitoring" mecanism, a long-time MEP and former Foreign Minister before becoming Finland's President, holds a long experience in the mattter, after also serving twice as CoE and EU Chairwoman in the past. That's why she is well placed to judge how CoE's "monitoring" should deal today with some crucial issues of importance both to CoE and to the EU.

The move came just a Month before a crucial, last visit to Turkey, scheduled for June, by the President of CoE''s "Monitoring" Committee, Ukranian MEP Serge Holovaty, to finalize his Report on Ankara, the CoE Member State with the longest Monitoring procedure. From its results depends its overall credibility.

This is a Test-case, because, in fact, it's in order to avoid Sanctions threatened against Turkey by a CoE's Assembly's April 1995 Resolution for grave Human Rights violations, Democracy gaps, the continuing Military Occupation in Cyprus, the unresolved Kurdish problem, Aegean differend with Greece, etc., that MEPs decided to create, for the 1st time on April 1996, a "Monitoring" proces, allegedly destinated to check, without excluding Countries who did not fulfill all CoE's standards.

In the Past, the obliged withdrawal of Greece's Military regime and of its "Civil" cover-up out of the CoE had helped bring back Democracy in 1974. But, on the contrary, since April 1996, the idea was to "monitor" Human Rights' respect while keeping most concerned Countries inside the CoE. After Turkey's oldest example, this was extended also to several former "Eastern" European Countries, even if CoE's Assembly has imposed to some of them (fex. Ukraine, Russia, etc., after Belarus, Serbia, etc) various "Sanctions", that Ankara always avoided. Curiously more succesful even than .. USA itself, (a CoE "Observer" since 1995), which has been at least threatened with sanctions some years ago..

EU-effects of CoE's Monitoring process became obvious between 2001-2008, since the "closure" of this procedure, when CoE felt that a Country had met most of its Human Rights, Democracy and Rule of Law obligations, (i.e. the "Copenhagen Criteria" for the EU), helped trigger Negotiations with the EU for "Accession" or other closer relations : This occured already before the 2004 and 2007 EU Enlargements to former "Eastern" European Countries, as well as for the commencement of "accession" negotiations with Croatia, and of "open-ended" negotiations with Turkey in 2005.

    But a stricking new development are Holovaty's recent findings that on core Human Rights issues as Torture and Freedom of Expression, Turkey, even "5 Years after" CoE closed its "Monitoring", back in 2004, inciting EU to start accession Negotiations in 2005, still presents grave problems.

    His findings are of crucial importance after a 2008 CoE Resolution called, "if need be", to "seriously consider the possibility of Re-Opening the Monitoring procedure for Turkey" : A move which might affect Ankara's controversial EU bid, since EU Accession Negotiations are based on the Hypothesis that the Candidate fullfils the "Copenhagen Criteria" (See above)..
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    Holovaty expressed his will to check  "Matters still Outstanding" and  those that he "didn't have an opportunity to discuss" at an earlier visit this year, "in order to discuss the more complex issues in greater depth", at his forthcoming New Visit to Ankara, before the December 2009 EU Summit.  This is all based on the 2004 CoE Resolution which stresses that, CoE "will continue.. post-monitoring Dialogue with the Turkish authorities,...in addition to a 12-points list,..and on any Other Matter that might arise in connection with Turkey’s Obligations as a CoE member state".

    CoE's Resolution also asks  from Turkey "to secure the proper Implementation of Judgements, particularly in the Cyprus v. Turkey InterState case", of 2001, which concerns also the plight of many Hundreds of MISSING People. It adds Turkey's obligations to "execute" ECHR's Judgements in the Loizidou case,..and in particular adopt General Measures to avoid repetition or continuation of Violations found by the Court" to the detriment of Refugees.

    Nevertheless, Holovaty said to "EuroFora" that "MISSING" persons,"might be included" and cannot be excluded, but he has yet to examine the situation "to find out  which issues will be raised" to the Turkish Government.

    Therefore, "EuroFora" asked Halonen, as the Historic "Mother" of CoE's Monitoring mecanism, if she thought that, "whenever there are grave Human Rights Violations, as fex. "MISSING" persons, attested even by ECHR's judgements, they should be always checked by a Monitoring process. Or could they be forgotten ?"
    
     - "We (CoE) must be, at the same time, Fair, Realistic, but not in the mind that "now we have Forgotten", etc., replied to "EuroFora"'s question Halonen, speaking as a matter of general principle.

    - "When we think of those People that are suffering from the lack of Democracy, of Human Rights, and of the Rule of Law", "we should find a base on how to deal with the (Monitoring) system more rapidly"', she stressed.

    - "Sometimes it's very difficult to combine Transparency and Effectivenes together, particularly in this specific case", she went on to say. But, "I have not found a (CoE Member) Country who could be insensitive in this sens", Halonen answered concerning grave Human Rights violations attested by the ECHR.

    - "I have no ready-made answer. I have the expectations that you, in the CoE, will, step by step, find the different types of the monitoring systems."

    Also "because this is a part of the UN's Post-Conflict system, (fex. when it comes to Cyprus' MISSING persons), and it's a more Global system". So that, "If we make a succes in Europe, the others will follow", throughout the World.  "But they expect that we (Europe) are this opportunity, this Opportunity to make a Succes", Halonen concluded.

    In addition, she advised to extend CoE's Monitoring to all its 47 Member States, "because, as long as we hear that, all these monitoring systems are "OK for the neighbor, but not for me", "it's very difficult" to understand. Something which could make easier to Compare...

    Finnish MEP Jaako Laakso, former CoE Rapporteur on the Occupied Territories of Cyprus and one of the 5 Signatories of the Historic CoE's call to create the "MONITORING" mecanism since 1996, was more specific :  - "We (CoE Assembly) have to find a way for the issue of Cyprus' MISSING People to be better followed", he stressed, anouncing his intention to "speak to Mr. Holovaty" about that. "There might be also other ways", added Laakso.

    - The 2008 "Year had been a very Bad one for Turkey with regard to Human Rights in general, and Freedom of Expression in particular", denounced, meanwhile, Holovaty's preliminary Post-Monitoringh Draft Report by Holovaty, published by the CoE on April 2009.

    "Amnesty International believes that freedom of expression is not guaranteed given the various articles of the Criminal Code that restrict it. .. "For example, 1,300 Websites are said to have been closed down by the (Turkish) authorities in 2008" ! While "the new Turkish Criminal Code was used to bring a total of 1,072 proceedings between June 2005 and April 2008, and led to the conviction of 192 people", for expressing views. "Representatives of the Özgür Gündem newspaper, which specialises in Kurdish affairs, ..complained about Numerous Attacks on their Freedom of Expression ...as was everyone who advocated a settlement to the question by means other than the intervention of the army" "According to their figures, 19 Newspapers had been suspended 43 times between 4 August 2006 and 4 November 2008" !...

    Moreover, on 2008,  CoE's "Ministers adopted its 4rth Resolution on the execution of the judgments of the ECHR, ...and outstanding issues regarding 175 Judgements and decisions relating to Turkey delivered between 1996 and 2008...  concerning Deaths resulting from the excessive use of force by members of the Security forces, the failure to protect the right to life, the DIisappearance and/or death of individuals, Ill-Treatment and the Destruction of property". CoE's " Ministers urged the Turkish authorities ...to ensure that members of Security forces of all ranks can be prosecuted without administrative
authorisation" for "serious crimes". Holovaty reminded.

"Nonetheless", Holovaty heard anew of "Several cases of Violence committed last year (2008) by the (Turkish) security forces". Amnesty International speaks of Many Cases of ill-treatment and Torture in the prisons and by the police". "Including, fex."'the death of Engin Ceber, a young man of 29 who died on October 2008 as a result of the TORTURE allegedly inflicted on him by police officers, prison staff and members of the gendarmerie. He was part of a group of people arrested on September 2008 during a demonstration and Press Conference in Istanbul'. Proceedings against suspects are "on-going" in this case.

- " I therefore noted an Obvious Contradiction between the Government’s stated “zero tolerance” policy.... of Torture and other forms of ill-treatment, and the different testimonies given", denounced CoE's Rapporteur.  Turkish "authorities must make considerable efforts to guarantee that proper investigations are carried out into allegations of abuses by members of the security forces and that perpetrators are effectively punished" "In this respect, I have requested detailed Statistics on the number of Investigations, acquittals and convictions in cases involving allegations of abuse in order to show the positive impact of the measures taken to date", Holovaty said, repeating a permanently unsatisfied CoE's demand to Turkey since a Decade...

    - "The Political Crisis that shook the country in the spring of 2008 highlighted the Weaknesses of the (Turkish) Constitution", which comes from the Military regime of 1982, "and the Urgent Need of Reforms", stressed from the outset CoE's Rapporteur in 2009. In particular, "the ...Democratic functioning of state institutions, including the independence of the judicial system, are crucial", he observes.

    But, "the Electoral  system and the ways in which it is circumvented do not appear to give those elected complete Legitimacy, and tend to pervert the course of direct universal suffrage", denounces Holovaty, observing that, even 5 Years later, Turkey did not yet change the 10% nationwide Threshold for a party to take any seat, which is "far higher" than the "3%" maximum in Europe and already condemned as contrary to European Standards by the CoE.

    + Moreover, EU Parliament's 2009 Report on Turkey, drafted by Dutch MEP Ria Oomen-Ruijten and adopted in Strasbourg on March, expresses "Concern over the Failure of the (Turkish) Judiciary to prosecute cases of Torture and Ill-treatment, the Number of which is Growing". EU also "is concerned about continuing Hostility and Violence against Minorities" in Turkey. It also "calls on the Turkish Government to launch, as a matter of Priority, a Political Initiatve favouring a lasting Settlement of the Kurdish issue, (while "condemning violence.. and terrorist groups"). EU "regrets that No progress has been made on establishing full, systematic Civilian suprevisory functions over the (Turkish) Military".

    The final results of Holovaty's 2nd and last visit to Turkley will be known later this year, and, at any case, before EU's December 2009 Summit.

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