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Popular Referendum on Homosexuals and Mariage+Children Adoption: + 63% NO in Slovenia (EU) +Quorum !

Scritto da ACM
Sunday, 20 December 2015
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*Strasbourg/Angelo Marcopolo/- A Popular Referendum on the Controversial, and Worldwide "Hot" Issue Nowadays (See Infra), of accepting, or not, to extend Marriage to Same Sex couples and to Submit Children to Homosexuals' power under cover of "Adoption", was Strongly Rejected by an Absolute and Qualified Majority of almost 2/3 of People in EU Member Country Slovenia this Sunday, with More than 63,5% "NO" against only 36,5% Yes, (according to 96% of Votes checked).

 

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The Move had been Initiated by 40.000 Signatures of Citizens calling for a Popular Initiative Referendum against a Controversial Law, Tabled by a Government of Left/Liberals and Adopted by a Parliament, which had just imposed Controversial "Same Sex Marriage" and even the Submission of Children to Homosexuals' Power under Pretext of "Adoption".

 

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It's mainly Agaist This Crucial Point that had Focused Slovenian People's Opposition, led by a Movement self-Titled "Children are at Stake", (according also to "EuroFora"s relevant Critical Observatios from the Start on this Hard Fought Nowadays BioEthical Issue, given particularly the Risk for Natural Births to be Circumvented by various Artificial Methods of Procreation of Human Beings, Dominated by Tehcnocratic Lobbies with Shady Interests, provoking obvious Dangers for all Humankind, that Natural Family, formed by a Man and Woman, normaly Help Prevent).

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 This 2015 Slovenian Referendum had to Obtain a Quorum of at leat 342.000 Voters in order to have Legaly Binding Force, and it Succeeded to have About 390.000.

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(Slovenian pro-Natural Family Head Activist Intellectual Ales Primc, obviously goes Natural..)

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Before that, Back on 25 March 2012, a Previous Referendum against an Earlier Attempt by another Government of the Left to  Give to Homosexuals all rights of Marriage, except Adoption of Children Born by Other People, had Won an Absolute (but Not Yet Qualified) Majority with 54,5% of the Votes, and 30,5 of Registered Voters' Participation Turnout. Nevertheless, 3 Years later, on March 2015, a Left/Liberals Governing Coalition had Adopted an even More Aggressive LBGT Lobby's desiderata, f.ex. Adding also full Adoption of Children by Homosexuals, which has just been Refused anew by Slovenian People.

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In the MeanTime, any Implementation of that Contested Law had been "Freezed" until Today's Vote of the Popular Referendum, whose Outcome was a Valid "No" Vote, After which, any Slovenian Government, reportedly, has to Wait for at least during a Year, before, eventualy, Attempting again any Deviant Move.

 

The Dissidents had been reportedly supported mainly by the Center-Right Opposition Parties and the Christian Church, which was Congratulated by Pope Francis "for its Commitment in favour of the Family", earlier This Week, at the same time that he Called the Government of the Country to "Support the Family, Basic Structure of Social Life".


Meanwhile, Earlier This Year (2/2015) another, Similar Popular Referendum in Slovakia (EU), had gathered almost 1 Million Votes in favour of Natural Family, with Results as High as about 93% and 95% when it comes to Refuse Extending Marriage to Homosexuals and Submitting Other People's Children to the Power of Homosexuals through "Adoption". But it didn't get Legal Effects because both of a Boycott by LBGT a.o. Lobbies and a Too High Threshhold for Participation required by the Constitution of that Country, (More than 50% of Registered Voters !). However, a Protection of Natural Family had already been Supported by a Succesful previous Amendment to the Slovak Constitution, obtained almost a Year Earlier (2014).


Previously, on December 2013, a Popular Constitutional Referendum in Croatia (EU) in favour of the Natural Family, between a Man and a Woman, had Succeded with More than + 66 % Votes "Yes", and a 38 % Participation (i.e. almost 1,5 Millions of People), despite Opposal by a Government of the Left and Most Media of the Establishment.

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French People had staged Historic Big Public Demonstrations many times from 2013, and still Continued with various New Forms of Expression of Popular Reject also through 2014, to vainly Ask for such a Referendum also in France, against some Socialist Ministers' stuborn Push to impose at any price the Conntroversial and Unpopular Same Sex Mariage, Adoptions by Homosexuals added, and even Genetic Manipulations of Human Embryos, almost at the Same Time, in a curiously Hasty and unusualy Brutal way, which Started to Provoke even Council of Europe's Official Reactions on mainly on April 2013 but also on September 2015. (The need felt by France to Exceptionaly Support Mali's regime against Extremist Islamist Terrorists' Attacks from Januray 2014, followed by a series of unprecedented Terrorist Aggressions against Civilians Since January 2015 has Hindered any more Popular Demonstrations on such and other related BioEthical Issues of growing Importance in Modern Societies).

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Shortly afterwards, Russia, Belorussia, Kazakstan, and certain African, (as Uganda, etc), as well as Asian (f.ex. China, Vietnam, etc. who ask Guarantees that their Children won't be given to Homosexuals), or APC Countries introduced Legal Safeguards Excluding International Adoptions of their Children by France and any other Country which has Provoked a Risk for Children to be Given to Homosexuals under Adoption pretext.


Meanwhile, a Controversial Referendum in Ireland (accepted by almost all Old Parties of the Establishment, pushed by a USA-Dominated Irish Diaspora), imposed Same Sex Mariage, Despite the Fact that a very Large Majority of Irish People either massively Abstained or Voted "No", so that Only a 1/3 Minority voted "Yes"...(See: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/irelandreferendumboostsnaturalfamilypopularmovement.html).


However, the PanEuropean Convention of Human Rights, which prevails in 47 CoE Member Countries, Still Keeps, for More almost 63 Years (9/1953 - 2015+), its Article 12, wich Recognizes a "Right to Marry and to Found a Family" Only Between "Men and Women", (despite a Controversial Individual ECrtHR Ruling which, a Few Years Ago, even if it had to Admit that Fact, Nevertheless, undertook an Unprecedented Attempt to Skip the PanEuropean Convention's Explicit Text, in the Particular Case that it examined. Something which, obviously, Can Legally be Overturned, at Any Moment, by an Opposite ECHR's Judgement, at anOther Case in the Future, since Only Legal Texts Remain, while Judges' Case-law Can always Change).

 

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But, as Now in Slovenia, in Europe, (after Slovakia, Croatia, Hungary, as well as Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria and Poland, etc), also Many American Federated States, in Recent Yearsn, have Adopted Popular Referenda Confirming the Traditional Prohibition of controversial Same Sex Marriage, and a great Number among them even made it Explicitly Clear in their own Constitutions that they still Recognize only Natural Marriages between a Man and a Woman.


However, a series of very Controversial Rulings by Judges Appointed a the US Supreme Court by Outgoing US President Barack Hussein Obama, practicaly Smashed almost all those Popular Referenda, (often Only by 1 such Unelected Judge's Vote more or less !).

 

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Reacting, almost All current opposition Republican (GOP) Party's Candidates to the forthcoming US Presidential Election of 2016 have Strongly Vowed to Counter all such Obama's Controversial and Unpopular moves, so that Protection of Natural Family can be Restored, in one way or another.


Another Conservative Politician who had initially promissed to Cancel controversial and UnPopular "Same Sex Marriage" if he was Elected, But Afterwards Failed to do so, former Canadian Prime Minister Harper, has just been Severely Punished by Canadian People who Massively Voted, in the latest National Elections, Against his Untrustworthy, Outgoing team...

 

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(Harper with Wife and Obama at the latest G7 Summit,

or was it the Other Way round ?...)

 

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    An "Eugenic" loophole Amendment, which might expose to Dangers reminiscent of "3rd Reich's" notorious Genetic Abuses, hidden at the last minute inside an otherwise Good, larger Health policy Package scheduled to be voted on Thursday, was strongly denounced by a coalition of MEPs from various Political Groups and Countries, in a Press Conference held this afternoon at EU Parliament in Strasbourg.

    Mainly calling to "Select Human Embryos", via "Genetic Counselling" and "pre-implantation" Techniques including "Genetic Tests", in order to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", it might open ways to Dangerous Practices in Future, they denounced in substance.

    But they also made it clear that a much larger Report inside which this Controversial Amendment "No 15" was added in dubious circumstances, officialy destinated to struggle against "Rare Diseases", and drafted by Professor Antonios Trakatellis, was otherwise "an Excellent Report", aiming at a "completely Uncontroversial target" of Health policy on which "all MEPs and Experts are united, believing that Europe should act" to protect People's Health (See "EuroFora"'s earlier News).

    The controversy came at a particularly delicate moment for the EU in relation to Citizens, at the eve of June 2009 EU Elections, and shortly before Ireland re-votes for "Lisbon Treaty"..    

- Denouncing risks of "an Eugenic demand, very similar to what we had during the 3rd Reich in Germany, but now coming from some Scientisists themselves", German ChristianDemocrat/EPP MEP Dr. Peter Liese stressed that critical MEPs were against "Eugenic" engineering with "Selection of Human Embryos", and anything which might ultimately lead up to to a "Selection of Human Race". It doesn't help to "eradicate" Human Lives, he added.


    Several Experts and NGOs expressed "Deep Concern", as f;ex. DR M.C. Cornel of the "European Society of Human Genetics", which stressed, on this occasion, that "the importance of Non-Directiveness in Reproductive issues is a Central characteristic of Human Genetics, after the Atrocities committed in the name of Genetics in the first half or the 20th Century".

     - "This is completely Unacceptable", stressed Italian Liberal MEP Vittorio Prodi, on the Controversial Amendment, also because pushes to "eliminate early Human Life", as he noted.

     - "This opens a Dangerous Road, rather a Motorway", denounced Danish MEP Mrs Margrette Auken, from the "Greens", observing that various similar attempts were made in the Past "not only in Germany, but also in several other Countries, "even at the 1970ies", "f.ex. on forced Sterilisation of Roma" People, and other criticisable situations f.ex. in the UK, in Sweden, etc. as she said.

    + Other NGOs, as f.ex. "LebenHilfe" from Berlin, added that, among various other Risks, could also be that, by exploiting the pre-implantation Genetic Diagnostics and the Selection of "healthy" Embryos, some may "propagate" several "Eugenic" aims, starting f.ex. by pushing to eradicate Human Livies which might "Cost too much" to preserve, ultimately exposing to dangers reminiscent of the "3rd Reich"'s atrocious abuses.

    In consequence, ChristianDemocrats/EPP and "Green" MEPs "decided by Majority to vote against" this Controversial Amendment, anounced to Journalists the 5 MEPs who participated in the Press Conference, representing a wide spectrum, from Liberals to "Greens" and ChristianDemocrats, and from Hungary, Italy, Germany and Danemark up to Ireland (Gay Mitchell), etc.
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    Hungarian ChristianDemocrat MEP Laszlo Surjan said "that it was "Suddenly, at the End of the Procedure" in Committee, that "appeared this (Controversial) Amendment, which has nothing to do" with the main purpose of the Report, on which all agreed.

    He denounced an "Unhonest" move, and called to "avoid this kind of unacceptable situations". Nobody should "Select People", Surjan stressed.

    - "We (MEPs) had No Chance to Discuss" this last-minute Amendment earlier added at a Committee's level, said German MEP Peter Liese

    Speaking to "EuroFora", Dr. Liese, the Spokesman of the ChristianDemocrat/EPP Group in EU Parliament, said that MEPs didn't oppose other references of the Report f.ex. on "Genetic Tests", because they were "no proposals" to impose them, while, on the contrary, there was "a Problem" if anyone attempted to "impose" f.ex. this or that Genetic Technique and "Genetic Counselling", etc. to the People on human reproduction.
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The precise Text :
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    Controversial parts of Amendment No 15 ask mainly "to lead finally to the Eradication" of "Hereditary" "rare diseases", "through Genetic Counselling .., and ..pre-Implantation Selection of healthy Embryos".

    But  EU Rapporteur Professor Trakatellis, said to "EuroFora" that fears should be alleviated by Guarantees that all this should be done only "where appropriate", when it's "not contrary to existing National Law", and "always on a Voluntary basis", according to other Parts of the Amendment.

    He stressed that the main aim was to allow "a free and informed choice of persons involved", without imposing them anything :  - "It's not an obligatory, but advisary" text, he said.

    To make that point clear, he was ready, in agreement with many MEPs, to eventually drop at least that part of the controversial Amendment which initially called for "efforts to ..lead finally to the Eradication of those rare diseases" "which are Hereditary".

    But, until late Wednesday evening, reportedly together with many other MEPs, he stood by all the rest of the controversial Amendment, (fex. on the "Genetic Counselling" and the "pre-implantation Selection of healthy Embryos"), so that critical MEPs, going from ChristianDemocrats as Dr. Liese, to "Greens" or "Ind/Dem", observed to "EuroFora" that "this was not enough" to close the dangerous loophole.

    Particularly since, as Professor Trakatellis noted himself, "this is already allowed to the U.K.", and "other National Legislations would probably follow, sooner or later" in a similar direction. As for a general call to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", this "should happen, at any case, in practice, de facto", to protect public Health.

    On the contrary, "our goal should be to help patients suffering from rare diseases, not to eradicate the patients. In case of genetic disease risk, the decision should not be guided by scenarios" made by politicians. "Perents who may decide to accept a child, even if handicapped or with genetic disease, must be respected and supported with solidarity", critical MEPs stated.

    - "Any Pressure" to "a patient or couple (who "should be able to make an informed choice consistent with their own values"),"from health Professionals, Public Health Policies or Governemental Institutions, or Society at large, should be avoided", stresses the "European Society for Human Genetics".

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Each MEP's vote will be registered !

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The Socialist Group requested a "Split vote" on the Amendment 15, first without, and afterwards with the words "lead finally to the Eradication" etc.


    But the first "split vote" leaves intact all the other parts of the Controversial Amendment, (i.e. "Genetic Counselling", "Selection of healthy Embryos", etc).

    That's why, 3 Groups of MEPs : ChristianDemocrats/EPP, "Greens/EFA", and "Ind/Dem", have asked for "Roll Call Votes", on everything regarding the Controversial Amendment No 15, and on the final outcome of the resulting Report as amended, which will register all the individual positions to be taken by each MEP.   

Something which will obviously make each MEP think twice before voting for one or another choice, to be sure that he/she will make the right choice in front of EU Citizens, particularly at these pre-Election times...


    Crucial Votes were scheduled between 12 Noon and 1 p.m. local Strasbourg time, in the middle of a long series of various other Reports, and after a long Public Debate on the larger Health policy package, from 9 to 11.50 am.

    The specific Report inside which was hidden the controversial Amendment is due to be debated between 11 and 12 am.

    So that more last-minute Surprises may not be excluded a priori...

    Particularly at the present Historic moment, when even the Institutional Future of the EU depends on the result of a second Referendum on "Lisbon Treaty", later this year, in ...Ireland, a mainly Catholic country, where People are particularly sensitive in such kind of socio-cultural and values issues...
 

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