Sarkozy welcomes Greek main opposition leader Samaras responsible stance on €uroarea formula
At the same time, Sarkozy observed also the fact that another "Declaration by the (Greek) Prime Minister (G.) Papandreou indicated that a Referendum (on the €uro-deal for Greece) would not be really useful" : A point that the French President also found "interesting", (Comp. yesterday"s relevant "EuroFora"s NewsReport), even if it wasn't really a surprise, since it had been made clear, already 2 Days earlier, that Giorgos Papandreou had Not a Majority for his sudden, unwarned, Referendum threat, since it faced strong Opposition from almost everywhere, including by many inside his own party, (See yeterday's relevant "EuroFora"s NewsReport).
Meanwhile, the main Greek opposition party, "ND" (ChristianDemocrats/EPP), for the 1st time so clearly, had issued two statements both going on the line of the "Alternative Solution" earlier highlighted by "EuroFora"s encounter with an experienced Sarkozy's counsellor, one Day before, on November 2, (see relevant Yesterday's NewsReport) :
Indeed, f.ex., already during Today's late Morning, November 3, "New Democracy"'s Spokesman, John Michelakis, reportedly made it clear that the Lending Deal with EU/IMF had become inevitable for Greece, after Giorgos Papandreou's controversial policies, but that the main Opposition party always asks to renegociate anew the Memo Plan which accompagnies it :
-"It's one thing the contract on the Loan, and another (different) thing the Policies which accompagny it", he reportedly stressed, (according to the alternative Formula outlined by "EuroFora" yesterday).
Samaras later-on issued a formal Statement in which he asked for an Interim Government to immediately prepare Elections after endorsing the €urozone decision on the Loan and the Debt only :
- "This government's (of Giorgos Papandreou's PASOK) policies have so much worsened things, that a new contract on borrowing money has become unavoidable and (therefore) it must be safeguarded".
-"But, obviously, we keep our Disagreement with the Policy Measures which are applied today" by the PASOK government", he added.
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- "I already said, since October 27, when the (Debt provoked in Greece) "Haircut" (-50%) was anounced, that, given the situation to which PASOK's Govenrment brought things, the "Haircut" of the Greek Debt, that Nobody wanted earlier, had become unavoidable from now on", but, "I had also made it clear that the lending contract is something Different from the accompagnying measures, and we remain still opposed to the "Policy mix", Samaras stressed afterwards, during a Greek Parliament's debate.
- "I wonder, Mr. (G.) Papandreou came close to destroying Greece and Europe, €uroarea, Inernational Stock/Financial Markets and his own Party in order to do what ? To Blackmail me and the Greek People ? Or in order to be sure for what I had alrea&dy anounced, that I accept as "unavoidable", Samaras criticized, while also noting that G. Papandreou was practically obliged to withdraw his unwarned and largely rejected, Referendum threat.
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+ "I don't want to intervene inside the Greek Political Debate, which is already Complicated enough like that", carefuly said today Sarkozy in reply to Journalists' questions.
- "Greece is an Independent Country, it's a Free Country. Greeks have succeeded to liberate themselves from Dictatorship, and I admire the Greek People, while I also have some very old Family links with Greece, so that I don't want, at any case, to give them a feeling that we intervene in their political life", clarified, at any case, Sarkozy, whose Grand Father, from his Mother's side, had been reportedly living as a Greek in Thessaloniki.
- "But, concerning €uro's Defence and the Defence of Europe, it's our Duty : The Red line for us is very simple : (€uroarea Member) Countries are freely administrated, but the" €uro and Europe are our (common) Heritage, and it must be protected. Here is how far we can go, and we will go. We can't go further than that, but, concerning Europe's and €uro's Defence, we shall do our job", the French President stressed.
- So, "'I am very glad that there are enough of politically Responsible People in Greece to understand this message and be able to go well beyond partisan interests in order to speak about their National Interest. Because, as we have always said, we wish for Greece to stay inside €uroarea, that was crystal-clear among us, but we couldn't realize our wish, if they didn't want that themselves", added Sarkozy earlier.
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Concerning the Alterhative Formula that "EuroFora" had highlighted in yesterday's Headline News, and was apparently endorsed officially by the main Opposition party ND today, (i.e. the possibility, or not, to Distinguish between the Financial deal on Loans and Debts already decided at Brussels' EU Summit on October 27, and the Economic Policy Measures, which had been notoriously left for afterwards (See f.e. EU Parliament biggest Group's President, MEP Joseph Daul, head of ChristianDemocrats/EPP, statements to "EuroFora", etc), at lot of issues concerning Greece's Action Plan (which usually accompagnies the Financial, Loan deal) was, precisely, going to be left for later-on, probably up to early December, (see last week's relevant "EuroFora" News), an observation made today by Sarkozy appears rather interesting :
- "We have nothing to ask to the Greek Parliament, which is Free to manage its business...... We simply say that the EU Taxpayers' Money cannot be engaged before certain.. rules which had been unanimously voted in Brussels on Occtober 27, are respected. (i.e. about the Loans and the Debt). .. For the Rest, we don't have any advise to give. We don't have any instruction to give. The Greek Peuple is an independent People, a very great Civilisation, and we trust him to decide on the choices concerning its Future. As fart as we are concerned, we let him Free to take his Decisions", stressed the 2011 G8-G20 Chairman and French President, using a wording which fits well out Formula (See supra).
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=> Meanwhile, main opposition party "New Democracy" asked for "Elections soon", to be organized in a few weeks by a Technocratic Transition Government of common approval, together with endorsing the Financial Deal of october 26 (See supra), in order to have, in as Brief as possible laps of Time, a New, stable Government, strong of a fresh Popular Support expressed by Democratic Votes, so that it will be able to determine the remaining Economic and other Policy issues.
But, since Polls generally give some +8 to +9% more Votes to "New Democracy" than to PASOK, the current "Socialist" 2 MPs narrow "majority" still in Parliament refuses immediate Elections, that it tries to avoid, (f.ex. by asking for a "National Coalition" Government, despite clearly opposed Policies), or, at least, to postpone for Later, obviously risking to prolong Uncertainy, contrary to European leaders and International Organizations' wish to fix a crystal-clear stance by Greece the Soonest, i.e. in a "Brief" laps of time :
- "Given the gravity of the situation, ...it is clear that we caNOT stay in a Prolonged situation of Uncertainty", provoked by G.Papandreou's U-turn, Sarkozy denounced. Thus, ..."we launch a formal Appeal for a political agreement to be found in Greece FAST", he urged.
(NDLR : "DraftNews", as already sent to "EuroFora"s Subscribers/Donors. Watch out for a possible Final Version, more accurate and complete, asap)
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They voted to "freeze" UK Government's draft to put People in jail for 42 Days on "anti-terrorist" suspicion without charge, or they abstained. Don't they look suspect ?
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CoE's debate on UK controversy stirs PanEuropean check of anti-terror suspects' imprisonment
Former Leftists of the Sixties would boil in hot water if they heard PACE's debate on the controversial 42 days detention without charge, currently drafted by the British Government :
A "Socialist" Government, a Socialist PACE Rapporteur and a Socialist Chair of PACE's Legal Committee, opposed a .. "Conservative" amendment (supported by .. Liberals, Democrats, etc), to freeze the measure, in order to protect Citizens' Freedom, by "waiting" until CoE's Venice Committee checks its conformity with Human Rights' principles.
"Left"'s support to Conservative-Lib.Dem's criticism, wasn't enough to obtain a majority, nor to make things as they were back in the good old days, when "Left" and "Right" had a clear meaning, as "liberty" and "restrictions"...
Conservatives and most Democrats were joined by the Left in voting for the "freeze", as well as Liberal Paul Rowen, while Socialist MEP Ivan Popescu, an experienced MEP from Ukraine (PACE Member since 1996-2008) abstained. But most Socialists, added to a few Liberals and EPP's Right, voted against.
Fortunately, someone inside PACE had the wise idea to shorten the Debate for less than 1 Hour, and put it on the Agenda only at the end of an exceptionally busy day, towards the end of the Evening, when most MEPs had already gone to taste wins and foods at various Receptions all around Strasbourg's "European" area : As a result, not even 42 MEPs weren't present..
Socialist Lord Tomlinson accused the leaders of the PanEuropean Assembly, in its highest body : the "Bureau", to "lack wisdom" by deciding to hold a Debate on an issue that neither the Socialist Chair of the Legal Committee, nor its Socialist "reluctant Rapporteur", did "not want to do", ...
Finally, everybody (critics and supporters alike) was happy to agree, in substance, that the controversial measure "may" gravely violate Human Rights, and therefore, PACE asked Legal Experts of Venice Commission to check UK Government''s plans.
But this might take more than .. 42 Days to do, since PACE's Rapporteur asked the Experts to enlarge their study in a PanEuropean comparison of all that is happening on "anti-terrorism" legislation in 47 CoE Member Countries, including Russia, Turkey and Azerbaidjan..
Bad lack : "The existing 28 days’ detention without charge in the UK is, in comparison with other CoE member countries, one of the most extreme : In Turkey, the period is 7,5 days, in France 6 days, in Russia 5 days, and in .. the U.S. and Canada just 2 and 1 days respectively", denounced Democrat MEP Ms WOLDSETH from Norway..
"Numerous respected human rights organisations, including Liberty and Human Rights Watch, have expressed serious concern" "The proposed legislation ...could easily lead to extensive abuses. ...Detention for 42 days means six weeks in which one is taken away from one’s family, friends, home and livelihood only to be let off without being charged. That will destroy lives and isolate communities", she added.
- "3 years ago, the UK Government sought to increase the period of pre-charge detention from 14 days to 90 days. Not long before that, it had been only 7 days. There was a vigorous debate ...and a ...compromise was reached of 28 days. We have to ask whether there are proper safeguards in place to extend the period to 42 days. I suggest that there are fatal flaws", reminded British Conservative Clappison.
- "What sort of society holds someone in detention for 42 days and does not have to tell the person who is in prison why they are there, or explain the suspicions that arose and led to their detention? What sort of society believes that that is the way to treat its citizens? That is an appalling injustice, ...A 42-day detention period will not make the UK safer. Instead, it will be the first step to giving in to terrorists; it is saying that we are prepared to sacrifice our democratic rights and the principles for which we have stood for centuries", criticized British Liberal Michael Hanckock
"Comments made ...by Norwegian delegates are unfortunate", replied British Socialist MEP Ms.Curtis-Thomas, accusing them to "besmirch the reputation of our police force, which is one of the Best in the World", as she said, believing that "there are significant safeguards ...to ensure that individuals are not subjected to unlawful detention"
PACE "has serious doubts whether ...the draft legislation are in conformity with the ...case-law of the European Court of Human Rights. A lack of ..safeguards may lead to arbitrariness, resulting in breaches of ... liberty and ...right to a fair trial". PACE "is particularly concerned that: ..the judge ..may not be in a position to examine whether there exist reasonable grounds for suspecting that the arrested person has committed an offence;"; that "... representation by a lawyer may be inappropriately restricted or delayed;" that "information on the grounds for suspicion of a person ...may be unduly withheld.. ;" that this "may give rise to arrests without the intention to charge;", and; in general, that "prolonged detention without proper information on the grounds for arrest may constitute inhuman treatment", says Klaus De Vries' Report, adopted with 29 votes against zero.
Records don't say if it took him 42 Days to draft his Report, but, at least, he knew why...