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Hungarian Prime Minister Orban to EuroFora on Popular Values Movement+EU Identity in 2014 EUElection

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Tuesday, 02 July 2013

 

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*Strasbourg/EU Parliament/Angelo Marcopolo/- Making a surprisingly strong plaidoyerie for Real European Values, the embattled but popular Prime Minister of Hungary, Victor Orban, replying to "EuroFora"s question, launched a call for the Popular "Values" Movement, currently spreading in France, Italy and other EU Countries, as well as elsewhere in the World, to inspire seriously pro-European Politicians, who hold similar views f.ex. on the need to protect Natural Family, Europe's Christian roots and Human Embryo, etc., as well as to prove, in real practice, that Euroean Countries' Economy can succesfully get out of the Global Crisis, as Hungary has already started to do, (See Infra) in order to prevent the Risk to provoke Anti-European feelings among several EU Citizens, but, on the contrary, Boost People's Hopes for the foreseeable Future of a potentially succesful Europe, with a strong Political Identity : Issues which have to be jointly Debated in several "hot" "Fights", particularly in view of  the forthcoming EU 2014 Elections, as he agreed with "EuroFora"...

 

=> In substance, Prime Minister Victor Orban, who has already succeeded to win a landmark 2/3 Majority in Elections in Hungary, widely recognised as Democratic, replying to "EuroFora"s 1st out of 2 Questions,

launched a vibrant Appeal to "all those who represent these Ideals" throughout Europe and well beyond, to "Stand Up" and say :  - "These are Values (that) we would like to maintain .. !" Because, "Values' questions, are Essential part of our (real European) "Political Identity". ... "We don't just Say so it, but we also Do so, and we even Like to Stand for it, and we like to Fight for it !", he strongly declared. - "We encourage the European Politicians, who even don't belong to the Mainstream, to look for each other, to Cooperate, and to Express Together our opinion", he proposed.  - "Not against somebody else, but to make it ... Listenable, Hearable and Visible, that we are here, and we have Values !"


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In particular : 


At the main, among our 2 Questions to the Prime Minister of Hungary, "EuroFora", observed from the outset that Victor Orban had "spoke(n) also about Hungary's importance for all Europe, as also in the Past, accross Centuries and/or Millenaries, even Today and in the forseeable Future".


-> - "I cannot hinder myself to say, very Honestly, that what You have just said (here i.e. at this Press Conference), and what we have heard at the Plenary, looks like a Precocious but very Interesting Debate about the Forthcoming EU 2014 Elections !", we observed.

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 - "Because there are currently many People, f.ex. in France and elsewhere, who are Fighting now for the Values that you have put in your Constitution, and have even been partly endorsed by (CoE's) Venice Commission, at least at its 1st point, (the Definition of Mariage and Family as one between a Man and a Woman, i.e. the Protection of the Natural Family, and, therefore, also of the Natural - and not Artificial/Mechanic Procreation of Human beings, etc).


=> "Do you think that this is an Interesting Opportunity, and at the same time a Moral, Historic and Political Obligation for you, to raise, together with others among your Friends, these Issues during the (EU) Elections that are coming in 2014 ?", "EuroFora" asked Prime Minister Victor Orban.  


 - "Because the "Encouragements" (See Infra) that Hungary expected to get from real pro-Europeans, as you said, (as well as any other Country which might succeed to have some Positive Economic Results amidst the Global Crisis) might better be given by the European Citizens !", we concluded.  

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The Hungarian Prime Ministers' long Reply was Careful at the beginning, but progressively becoming more and more Energetic, particularly as real European Values and 2014 EU Elections could be concerned ;


 - Now, "on the Values' issue, (i.e. "EuroFora"s 1st Question : Comp. Supra), Inside of our own (Fidesz) Parti, even in Hungary, we have some Discussions, on whether it's a reasonable behavior on behalf of the Prime Minister and of the Governing Party in Hungary, to present Issues which are Values-Motivated, and, obviously, do not belong to the Mainstream of EU Politics, as it is now, to answer your question.


It's obvious that the European Publicity is Dominated - can't say Ruled, but Dominated-  by those Journalists and Visions, and Media, which are more guided by Mainstream Bureaucracy, or whatever,  first", he warned. And, you know, to stand for (Natural) Family, Christianity, and Nation, is not a Popular thing in most (established, old fashioned, Oligo-Monopolistic) European Press now", he criticized.


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Natural FAMILY : A 4 Thousand Years Tradition, that we defend also for the Future.
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- But, you know, Values have a (are about) particularity : Just Today, here (at EU Parliament's Plenary debate on Hungary)  there was a Question about Family : I made it very Clear that in Hungary, we have nothing against the Homosexuals. We (even) have a special Regulation which tries to Help them on how manage their Life. But, at the same time, we can't confuse what wa call Family and Mariage, with that (f.ex. a kind of Civil Union, etc) : That's a clear-cut separation which must be made, and maintained theConstitution", Victor Orban stressed.


- Sometimes, some claim that it's "not Modern", or whatever, "not Progresive", etc. But, I want to make it very clear, that we Defend a 4 Thousand Years old Tradition : 2000 years of the Jewish Tradition and 2000 years of a Christian t


So, that's quite Logical for us, that we  have to represent the Traditional Marriage, regardless of what we suffer at the International Mainstream Liberal, whateever, "progressive" Media"...


+  Because, Natural "Family" (i.e. as a union of Man and Woman, in view of Natural Procreation of Children and their Education), "is part of the very Deep Constitutional Identity of the Nations belonging to the European Union", as Victor Orban stressed earlier.


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EU's Christian roots :
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+ Probably, an important question is Christianity : I don't know what will be the Future of Christianity, in the World and in Europe  : Who knows that ? I surely not. I have some Hopes, that's all. And I've read a lot of arguments (claiming) that Christianity is "dying"F, due to be "replaced", getting less and less support. May be. I don't know"....


- "But, one point is for sure :  It's not the job of EU Politcians to "Kill" Christianity ! That's sure", he denounced ad absurdum, immediately after that, adding that this is part of Europe's Identity, and that "we (Europeans) should Fight" to defend its main values, (Comp. Supra).


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+ Some think that, "in the European Life", "the Values of Religious beliefs ...do belong to the Past, while the Future should be different. We (Hungarians) don't think so : (On the contrary) we think that this kind of approach to the Life and the Institutions that embody that, belong to the Future as well", he stressed earlier.

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=> - "So, therefore, for all those who represent these Ideals, why can't we Stand Up and say :  - "It's a Value ! Comme on. We would like to maintain it !"


=> "So, that kind of approach" : (I.e.) Values' questions, are Essential part of our "Political Identity", Victor Orban stressed.


 - "That's the reason why we don't just say so it, but even we do so, and we like to Stand for it, and we like to Fight for it ! Because if you (real Europeans) don't Fight for that, who else would do so ?"


=> "So that's why we encourage the European Politicians who even don't belong to the Mainstream, to look for each other, to cooperate, and to express together our opinion", he proposed. 


- "Not against somebody else, but to make it ... Listenable, Hearable and Visible, that we are here, and we have Values !".


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EUROPE IS OUR HOME !
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+ Thus, " We (Hungary) must have good relations and links with all sides of Europe and the World, East, West, North, South, inside and/or outsisde of Europe, but it's a fact that we Belong to the Community of Western European Countries", he replied to all those (MEPs and/or other Journalists, were asking him whether Hungary would choose to leave the EU)...


- So, "I will be the last person who wil stay", inside whatever it migt be called in the Future, "European Union", or "Union of European Nations", or whatever else", the Prime Minister of Hungary anounced.

 

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- "Because of the Unfair Treatment into which we (Hungary) have been subjected, just a few Hours before (i.e. facing many Harsh Attacks in EU Parliament's Plenary, on the basis of a "Green" MEP's controversial Report), we won't cease to belong to the West.
=> - "Our place is there where we are  : Historically, Culturally, Geographically".

-"Belonging to Europe it's not a Tactical Game, it's not a Calculation  ; - It's OUR PLACE !", (alias : "our Home !", "Heimat !", "Chez nous !", etc), Victor Orban strongly concluded, speaking in his well-attended Press Conference with many Journalists including "EuroFora", with a vivid pro-European plaidoyerie..

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Summing up the real Motivations which might stand behind some Lobbies which are obviously, harassing systematically nowadays Hungary, while they never did anything to really criticize some previous "Socialist" ao. regimes, both in Hungary and elsewhere, not even when they Destroyed the Economy and also Opressed Violently the People, (as even the Human-Rights' Defender, Dutch Liberal MEP Sophia in 't Veld honestly admitted in her observations during an earlier EU Parliament's Plenary Debate), Victor Orban mainly stressed the following points :


- Protection of Natural Family, Christianity, Human Embryo, and Nation, f.ex. in the new Hungarian Constitution, are a 1st series of Targets of Attacks by some Groups,


to which is also added another series of Big Business-related issues, mainly because some Interests of certain Big Corporations, Banks and MultiNational Compagnies, etc., are attempting to exert Pressure on the Hungarian Government, because we have imposed a Tax on Banks, Oil-Gas Compagnies, etc., in order to be able to Cut or Reduce Energy Prices for the People, Victor Orban revealed earlier, right from the start of his Press Conference at EU Parliament in Strasbourg to Journalists, including "EuroFora" : All for all, this represents about some 60 Billions €, which is rather Huge compared to the Country's GDP, he noted.


But, at the same time, Hungary has succeeded to become anew able to borrow Money to the Financial Markets without problems, so that we don't need any EU Aid (contrary to several other EU Countries), Public Deficit has been Diminishing, Foreign Trade and Exports are booming, Unemployment is being reduced, while more and more People are being Employed now, and Growth has re-started : There are certainly, still, various points that we must ameliorate further, but, at least, the current situation and trend of the Economy in Hungary, clearly indicates that European Countries can start to overcome this Global Crisis, contary to those who claim that Europe is finished, but raising, instead, real Hopes for Europe's Future !


So, normaly, we expected more Friendly Handshakes and some Encouragements from real European politicians, instead of systematically Unfair Attacks, he regretted, (obviously pointing at Risks for some to provoke, thus, Anti-European feelings among EU Citizens, as also many MEPs from various Countries, warned previously during the EU Parliament's Plenary Debate)...


Meanwhile, Victor Orban, willingly discussed at long, at the end of this Press Conference, with at least 2 Minorities' representatives, one from the LGBT group, and another from the Jewish Community (who thanked him for a recent Initiative related to "Holocaust"'s Memory, etc), that he reassured and invited them, whenever they wish, to visit Hungary.

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(+ Comp. also another "NewsReport" on "EuroFora"s 2nd Question, due to be published asap).

 

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    An "Eugenic" loophole Amendment, which might expose to Dangers reminiscent of "3rd Reich's" notorious Genetic Abuses, hidden at the last minute inside an otherwise Good, larger Health policy Package scheduled to be voted on Thursday, was strongly denounced by a coalition of MEPs from various Political Groups and Countries, in a Press Conference held this afternoon at EU Parliament in Strasbourg.

    Mainly calling to "Select Human Embryos", via "Genetic Counselling" and "pre-implantation" Techniques including "Genetic Tests", in order to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", it might open ways to Dangerous Practices in Future, they denounced in substance.

    But they also made it clear that a much larger Report inside which this Controversial Amendment "No 15" was added in dubious circumstances, officialy destinated to struggle against "Rare Diseases", and drafted by Professor Antonios Trakatellis, was otherwise "an Excellent Report", aiming at a "completely Uncontroversial target" of Health policy on which "all MEPs and Experts are united, believing that Europe should act" to protect People's Health (See "EuroFora"'s earlier News).

    The controversy came at a particularly delicate moment for the EU in relation to Citizens, at the eve of June 2009 EU Elections, and shortly before Ireland re-votes for "Lisbon Treaty"..    

- Denouncing risks of "an Eugenic demand, very similar to what we had during the 3rd Reich in Germany, but now coming from some Scientisists themselves", German ChristianDemocrat/EPP MEP Dr. Peter Liese stressed that critical MEPs were against "Eugenic" engineering with "Selection of Human Embryos", and anything which might ultimately lead up to to a "Selection of Human Race". It doesn't help to "eradicate" Human Lives, he added.


    Several Experts and NGOs expressed "Deep Concern", as f;ex. DR M.C. Cornel of the "European Society of Human Genetics", which stressed, on this occasion, that "the importance of Non-Directiveness in Reproductive issues is a Central characteristic of Human Genetics, after the Atrocities committed in the name of Genetics in the first half or the 20th Century".

     - "This is completely Unacceptable", stressed Italian Liberal MEP Vittorio Prodi, on the Controversial Amendment, also because pushes to "eliminate early Human Life", as he noted.

     - "This opens a Dangerous Road, rather a Motorway", denounced Danish MEP Mrs Margrette Auken, from the "Greens", observing that various similar attempts were made in the Past "not only in Germany, but also in several other Countries, "even at the 1970ies", "f.ex. on forced Sterilisation of Roma" People, and other criticisable situations f.ex. in the UK, in Sweden, etc. as she said.

    + Other NGOs, as f.ex. "LebenHilfe" from Berlin, added that, among various other Risks, could also be that, by exploiting the pre-implantation Genetic Diagnostics and the Selection of "healthy" Embryos, some may "propagate" several "Eugenic" aims, starting f.ex. by pushing to eradicate Human Livies which might "Cost too much" to preserve, ultimately exposing to dangers reminiscent of the "3rd Reich"'s atrocious abuses.

    In consequence, ChristianDemocrats/EPP and "Green" MEPs "decided by Majority to vote against" this Controversial Amendment, anounced to Journalists the 5 MEPs who participated in the Press Conference, representing a wide spectrum, from Liberals to "Greens" and ChristianDemocrats, and from Hungary, Italy, Germany and Danemark up to Ireland (Gay Mitchell), etc.
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    Hungarian ChristianDemocrat MEP Laszlo Surjan said "that it was "Suddenly, at the End of the Procedure" in Committee, that "appeared this (Controversial) Amendment, which has nothing to do" with the main purpose of the Report, on which all agreed.

    He denounced an "Unhonest" move, and called to "avoid this kind of unacceptable situations". Nobody should "Select People", Surjan stressed.

    - "We (MEPs) had No Chance to Discuss" this last-minute Amendment earlier added at a Committee's level, said German MEP Peter Liese

    Speaking to "EuroFora", Dr. Liese, the Spokesman of the ChristianDemocrat/EPP Group in EU Parliament, said that MEPs didn't oppose other references of the Report f.ex. on "Genetic Tests", because they were "no proposals" to impose them, while, on the contrary, there was "a Problem" if anyone attempted to "impose" f.ex. this or that Genetic Technique and "Genetic Counselling", etc. to the People on human reproduction.
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The precise Text :
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    Controversial parts of Amendment No 15 ask mainly "to lead finally to the Eradication" of "Hereditary" "rare diseases", "through Genetic Counselling .., and ..pre-Implantation Selection of healthy Embryos".

    But  EU Rapporteur Professor Trakatellis, said to "EuroFora" that fears should be alleviated by Guarantees that all this should be done only "where appropriate", when it's "not contrary to existing National Law", and "always on a Voluntary basis", according to other Parts of the Amendment.

    He stressed that the main aim was to allow "a free and informed choice of persons involved", without imposing them anything :  - "It's not an obligatory, but advisary" text, he said.

    To make that point clear, he was ready, in agreement with many MEPs, to eventually drop at least that part of the controversial Amendment which initially called for "efforts to ..lead finally to the Eradication of those rare diseases" "which are Hereditary".

    But, until late Wednesday evening, reportedly together with many other MEPs, he stood by all the rest of the controversial Amendment, (fex. on the "Genetic Counselling" and the "pre-implantation Selection of healthy Embryos"), so that critical MEPs, going from ChristianDemocrats as Dr. Liese, to "Greens" or "Ind/Dem", observed to "EuroFora" that "this was not enough" to close the dangerous loophole.

    Particularly since, as Professor Trakatellis noted himself, "this is already allowed to the U.K.", and "other National Legislations would probably follow, sooner or later" in a similar direction. As for a general call to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", this "should happen, at any case, in practice, de facto", to protect public Health.

    On the contrary, "our goal should be to help patients suffering from rare diseases, not to eradicate the patients. In case of genetic disease risk, the decision should not be guided by scenarios" made by politicians. "Perents who may decide to accept a child, even if handicapped or with genetic disease, must be respected and supported with solidarity", critical MEPs stated.

    - "Any Pressure" to "a patient or couple (who "should be able to make an informed choice consistent with their own values"),"from health Professionals, Public Health Policies or Governemental Institutions, or Society at large, should be avoided", stresses the "European Society for Human Genetics".

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Each MEP's vote will be registered !

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The Socialist Group requested a "Split vote" on the Amendment 15, first without, and afterwards with the words "lead finally to the Eradication" etc.


    But the first "split vote" leaves intact all the other parts of the Controversial Amendment, (i.e. "Genetic Counselling", "Selection of healthy Embryos", etc).

    That's why, 3 Groups of MEPs : ChristianDemocrats/EPP, "Greens/EFA", and "Ind/Dem", have asked for "Roll Call Votes", on everything regarding the Controversial Amendment No 15, and on the final outcome of the resulting Report as amended, which will register all the individual positions to be taken by each MEP.   

Something which will obviously make each MEP think twice before voting for one or another choice, to be sure that he/she will make the right choice in front of EU Citizens, particularly at these pre-Election times...


    Crucial Votes were scheduled between 12 Noon and 1 p.m. local Strasbourg time, in the middle of a long series of various other Reports, and after a long Public Debate on the larger Health policy package, from 9 to 11.50 am.

    The specific Report inside which was hidden the controversial Amendment is due to be debated between 11 and 12 am.

    So that more last-minute Surprises may not be excluded a priori...

    Particularly at the present Historic moment, when even the Institutional Future of the EU depends on the result of a second Referendum on "Lisbon Treaty", later this year, in ...Ireland, a mainly Catholic country, where People are particularly sensitive in such kind of socio-cultural and values issues...
 

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