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Hungarian Prime Minister Orban to EuroFora on Popular Values Movement+EU Identity in 2014 EUElection

Written by ACM
Tuesday, 02 July 2013



*Strasbourg/EU Parliament/Angelo Marcopolo/- Making a surprisingly strong plaidoyerie for Real European Values, the embattled but popular Prime Minister of Hungary, Victor Orban, replying to "EuroFora"s question, launched a call for the Popular "Values" Movement, currently spreading in France, Italy and other EU Countries, as well as elsewhere in the World, to inspire seriously pro-European Politicians, who hold similar views f.ex. on the need to protect Natural Family, Europe's Christian roots and Human Embryo, etc., as well as to prove, in real practice, that Euroean Countries' Economy can succesfully get out of the Global Crisis, as Hungary has already started to do, (See Infra) in order to prevent the Risk to provoke Anti-European feelings among several EU Citizens, but, on the contrary, Boost People's Hopes for the foreseeable Future of a potentially succesful Europe, with a strong Political Identity : Issues which have to be jointly Debated in several "hot" "Fights", particularly in view of  the forthcoming EU 2014 Elections, as he agreed with "EuroFora"...


=> In substance, Prime Minister Victor Orban, who has already succeeded to win a landmark 2/3 Majority in Elections in Hungary, widely recognised as Democratic, replying to "EuroFora"s 1st out of 2 Questions,

launched a vibrant Appeal to "all those who represent these Ideals" throughout Europe and well beyond, to "Stand Up" and say :  - "These are Values (that) we would like to maintain .. !" Because, "Values' questions, are Essential part of our (real European) "Political Identity". ... "We don't just Say so it, but we also Do so, and we even Like to Stand for it, and we like to Fight for it !", he strongly declared. - "We encourage the European Politicians, who even don't belong to the Mainstream, to look for each other, to Cooperate, and to Express Together our opinion", he proposed.  - "Not against somebody else, but to make it ... Listenable, Hearable and Visible, that we are here, and we have Values !"


In particular : 

At the main, among our 2 Questions to the Prime Minister of Hungary, "EuroFora", observed from the outset that Victor Orban had "spoke(n) also about Hungary's importance for all Europe, as also in the Past, accross Centuries and/or Millenaries, even Today and in the forseeable Future".

-> - "I cannot hinder myself to say, very Honestly, that what You have just said (here i.e. at this Press Conference), and what we have heard at the Plenary, looks like a Precocious but very Interesting Debate about the Forthcoming EU 2014 Elections !", we observed.


 - "Because there are currently many People, f.ex. in France and elsewhere, who are Fighting now for the Values that you have put in your Constitution, and have even been partly endorsed by (CoE's) Venice Commission, at least at its 1st point, (the Definition of Mariage and Family as one between a Man and a Woman, i.e. the Protection of the Natural Family, and, therefore, also of the Natural - and not Artificial/Mechanic Procreation of Human beings, etc).

=> "Do you think that this is an Interesting Opportunity, and at the same time a Moral, Historic and Political Obligation for you, to raise, together with others among your Friends, these Issues during the (EU) Elections that are coming in 2014 ?", "EuroFora" asked Prime Minister Victor Orban.  

 - "Because the "Encouragements" (See Infra) that Hungary expected to get from real pro-Europeans, as you said, (as well as any other Country which might succeed to have some Positive Economic Results amidst the Global Crisis) might better be given by the European Citizens !", we concluded.  



The Hungarian Prime Ministers' long Reply was Careful at the beginning, but progressively becoming more and more Energetic, particularly as real European Values and 2014 EU Elections could be concerned ;

 - Now, "on the Values' issue, (i.e. "EuroFora"s 1st Question : Comp. Supra), Inside of our own (Fidesz) Parti, even in Hungary, we have some Discussions, on whether it's a reasonable behavior on behalf of the Prime Minister and of the Governing Party in Hungary, to present Issues which are Values-Motivated, and, obviously, do not belong to the Mainstream of EU Politics, as it is now, to answer your question.

It's obvious that the European Publicity is Dominated - can't say Ruled, but Dominated-  by those Journalists and Visions, and Media, which are more guided by Mainstream Bureaucracy, or whatever,  first", he warned. And, you know, to stand for (Natural) Family, Christianity, and Nation, is not a Popular thing in most (established, old fashioned, Oligo-Monopolistic) European Press now", he criticized.

Natural FAMILY : A 4 Thousand Years Tradition, that we defend also for the Future.


- But, you know, Values have a (are about) particularity : Just Today, here (at EU Parliament's Plenary debate on Hungary)  there was a Question about Family : I made it very Clear that in Hungary, we have nothing against the Homosexuals. We (even) have a special Regulation which tries to Help them on how manage their Life. But, at the same time, we can't confuse what wa call Family and Mariage, with that (f.ex. a kind of Civil Union, etc) : That's a clear-cut separation which must be made, and maintained theConstitution", Victor Orban stressed.

- Sometimes, some claim that it's "not Modern", or whatever, "not Progresive", etc. But, I want to make it very clear, that we Defend a 4 Thousand Years old Tradition : 2000 years of the Jewish Tradition and 2000 years of a Christian t

So, that's quite Logical for us, that we  have to represent the Traditional Marriage, regardless of what we suffer at the International Mainstream Liberal, whateever, "progressive" Media"...

+  Because, Natural "Family" (i.e. as a union of Man and Woman, in view of Natural Procreation of Children and their Education), "is part of the very Deep Constitutional Identity of the Nations belonging to the European Union", as Victor Orban stressed earlier.

EU's Christian roots :

+ Probably, an important question is Christianity : I don't know what will be the Future of Christianity, in the World and in Europe  : Who knows that ? I surely not. I have some Hopes, that's all. And I've read a lot of arguments (claiming) that Christianity is "dying"F, due to be "replaced", getting less and less support. May be. I don't know"....

- "But, one point is for sure :  It's not the job of EU Politcians to "Kill" Christianity ! That's sure", he denounced ad absurdum, immediately after that, adding that this is part of Europe's Identity, and that "we (Europeans) should Fight" to defend its main values, (Comp. Supra).


+ Some think that, "in the European Life", "the Values of Religious beliefs ...do belong to the Past, while the Future should be different. We (Hungarians) don't think so : (On the contrary) we think that this kind of approach to the Life and the Institutions that embody that, belong to the Future as well", he stressed earlier.


=> - "So, therefore, for all those who represent these Ideals, why can't we Stand Up and say :  - "It's a Value ! Comme on. We would like to maintain it !"

=> "So, that kind of approach" : (I.e.) Values' questions, are Essential part of our "Political Identity", Victor Orban stressed.

 - "That's the reason why we don't just say so it, but even we do so, and we like to Stand for it, and we like to Fight for it ! Because if you (real Europeans) don't Fight for that, who else would do so ?"

=> "So that's why we encourage the European Politicians who even don't belong to the Mainstream, to look for each other, to cooperate, and to express together our opinion", he proposed. 

- "Not against somebody else, but to make it ... Listenable, Hearable and Visible, that we are here, and we have Values !".


+ Thus, " We (Hungary) must have good relations and links with all sides of Europe and the World, East, West, North, South, inside and/or outsisde of Europe, but it's a fact that we Belong to the Community of Western European Countries", he replied to all those (MEPs and/or other Journalists, were asking him whether Hungary would choose to leave the EU)...

- So, "I will be the last person who wil stay", inside whatever it migt be called in the Future, "European Union", or "Union of European Nations", or whatever else", the Prime Minister of Hungary anounced.



- "Because of the Unfair Treatment into which we (Hungary) have been subjected, just a few Hours before (i.e. facing many Harsh Attacks in EU Parliament's Plenary, on the basis of a "Green" MEP's controversial Report), we won't cease to belong to the West.
=> - "Our place is there where we are  : Historically, Culturally, Geographically".

-"Belonging to Europe it's not a Tactical Game, it's not a Calculation  ; - It's OUR PLACE !", (alias : "our Home !", "Heimat !", "Chez nous !", etc), Victor Orban strongly concluded, speaking in his well-attended Press Conference with many Journalists including "EuroFora", with a vivid pro-European plaidoyerie..


Summing up the real Motivations which might stand behind some Lobbies which are obviously, harassing systematically nowadays Hungary, while they never did anything to really criticize some previous "Socialist" ao. regimes, both in Hungary and elsewhere, not even when they Destroyed the Economy and also Opressed Violently the People, (as even the Human-Rights' Defender, Dutch Liberal MEP Sophia in 't Veld honestly admitted in her observations during an earlier EU Parliament's Plenary Debate), Victor Orban mainly stressed the following points :

- Protection of Natural Family, Christianity, Human Embryo, and Nation, f.ex. in the new Hungarian Constitution, are a 1st series of Targets of Attacks by some Groups,

to which is also added another series of Big Business-related issues, mainly because some Interests of certain Big Corporations, Banks and MultiNational Compagnies, etc., are attempting to exert Pressure on the Hungarian Government, because we have imposed a Tax on Banks, Oil-Gas Compagnies, etc., in order to be able to Cut or Reduce Energy Prices for the People, Victor Orban revealed earlier, right from the start of his Press Conference at EU Parliament in Strasbourg to Journalists, including "EuroFora" : All for all, this represents about some 60 Billions €, which is rather Huge compared to the Country's GDP, he noted.

But, at the same time, Hungary has succeeded to become anew able to borrow Money to the Financial Markets without problems, so that we don't need any EU Aid (contrary to several other EU Countries), Public Deficit has been Diminishing, Foreign Trade and Exports are booming, Unemployment is being reduced, while more and more People are being Employed now, and Growth has re-started : There are certainly, still, various points that we must ameliorate further, but, at least, the current situation and trend of the Economy in Hungary, clearly indicates that European Countries can start to overcome this Global Crisis, contary to those who claim that Europe is finished, but raising, instead, real Hopes for Europe's Future !

So, normaly, we expected more Friendly Handshakes and some Encouragements from real European politicians, instead of systematically Unfair Attacks, he regretted, (obviously pointing at Risks for some to provoke, thus, Anti-European feelings among EU Citizens, as also many MEPs from various Countries, warned previously during the EU Parliament's Plenary Debate)...

Meanwhile, Victor Orban, willingly discussed at long, at the end of this Press Conference, with at least 2 Minorities' representatives, one from the LGBT group, and another from the Jewish Community (who thanked him for a recent Initiative related to "Holocaust"'s Memory, etc), that he reassured and invited them, whenever they wish, to visit Hungary.




(+ Comp. also another "NewsReport" on "EuroFora"s 2nd Question, due to be published asap).








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Swedish Foreign Minister, Carl Bildt, speaking  to "EuroFora", denied rumors on Turkey's attempts to avoid an EU check of its obligations on Cyprus on December 2009 by blackmailing Nicosia to either accept any deal with intransigeant Turkish claims contrary to EU values on the island's political issue, or face threats against the territorial integriy of the EU island, semi-occupied by Ankara's army.

On the contrary, the incoming EU President-in-office, speaking exclusively to "EuroFora", promissed that he will act for EU Council's decisions on December 2009 assessment of Turkey's commitments on Cyprus to be kept.

    Bildt was asked to react to Cyprus' President Christofias' denunciation, earlier this week, that some want to exert "pressure" on Cyprus in order for Turkey to escape from its obligations.

    Avoiding to mention any precise Deadline, Bildt, however, warned about "Consequences" in case of "failure" to reunite Cyprus, but without saying whose responsibility an eventual deadlock might be.  

 Asked by "EuroFora" if there is a risk for "Turkey's commitments to "be forgotten or downgraded", "despite crystal-clear EU Council decisions and EU Parliament's latest Resolution on the assessment to make at the end of this year on Turkey's obligations", according to rumours that, instead of pressing Turkey, on the contrary, there might be "pressure on Cyprus", even "blackmail", as Media reported and President Christofias denounced this week, Bildt denied :

- "No ! ", he clearly replied.

- On the contrary, invited by "EuroFora", to "reassure that the Swedish EU Presidency (7-12/2009) will keep a fair stance, based on principles",  Bildt promised that "we (Swedish EU Presidency) will be very clear on all of the decisions taken by the (EU) Council".

He added, however, that "we have very numerous decisions that have been taken" by EU Council, as if he warned, also, on something else.

- "'I am not aware of any sort of statements coming out today''", Bildt started to say, on our reference to Cyprus' President Christofias" denunciation of Turkish lobby's manoeuvers this week, replying earlier to 'another"EuroFora"'s question during a Press Conference at EU Parliament in Strasbourg.

 - '"I know the issues that you' are concerned with'", he added, remembering  the statements he gave us when Sweden was chairing the PanEuropean CoE on 2008.

- "But, obviously, .. I think that Cyprus' Peace negotiations are extremenly important".

- And "'I think that we are at a unique moment in History, in the sens that both (Cyprus') President Christofias and Mr. Talat (the Turkish Cypriot leader), are personally convinced of the need to overcome the division".

 - "It's 20 Years since the fall of Berlin Wal, but we still have a Capital in Europe (Nicosia) that's divided". ,

- 'I don't that we should loose any time in overcoming that"..

 - ''We should be aware of the fact that success will bring great benefits, but failure, will also have major consequences. There will not be Status Quo' " It's a question of seeking a solution, or entering another situation, which is somewhat difficult to see exactly how that could evolve", he warned.

- "That being said, this is a negotiation for Cyprus itself", Bildt admitted.

 - ''We (EU) can support, the (EU) Commission primarily, be technically helpful, and then, of course, there is a specific role for the UN, when it comes to the Cyprus' situation".  

- "At least so far. It might not be for ever'. Certainly not for ever, but for this period of time", Bildt added, skiping now any reference to concrete threats on UNO's Peace keeping force in face of more than 40.000 Ankara's soldiers, contrary to some Press claims, (See previous NewsReports).

     Replying to another "EuroFora"'s Question,  if anyone might attempt to "impose a Deadline for the conclusion" of Cyprus' Talks on December 2009, Bildt avoided to speak of any precise Time-frame, and indirectly evoked the fact that  35 Years of Turkish Invasion/Occupation obviously durated too long :

'- "If I was from Cyprus, I would say that the Deadline was Yesterday ! '",
Bildt concluded.

Cyprus' Government Spokesman, Stephanou, reportedly pointed out that "a settlement is possible on December if Turkey changes its stance", accepting a solution for the reunification of the island based on UNO resolutiona and EU principles.


Earlier, EU Chair, Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeld, highlighted an "historic opportunity" to "re-Unite" Cyprus according to EU's "basic Values"' (i.e. Human Rights) and 'Rules'", in a last-minute change of his draft speech to EU Parliament in Strasbourg.

    The initial Draft spoke only about "healing" the island.

    Significantly, Reinfeldt linked Cyprus' reunification with Turkey's obligations to respect EU's "Values" and "follow" EU's "common Rules" :

    - What is "called Membership Negotiations" should lead, "at- the end of the day", into "sharing a set of common Basic Values (i.e. Human Rights, Democracy, etc), and following common Rules", stressed Reinfeld from the outset.
    - "This is something that those on the Outside (of the EU), are now  contemplating", up "to Ankara", for "a solution" on "Cyprus", observed the EU Chairman, immediately afterwards..  

    - "Both sides of Cyprus have been granted a historic opportunity to together reach an agreement on a solution to re-Unite the island, that has been divided for far too long", said Reinfeldt, modifying his draft text.

-  "The Swedish Presidency will act ...in accordance with Commitments EU has made, on the basis of Criteria that apply", "as a Honest Broker", he promised.    

- "To those on the inside (of the EU), allowing the membership process to become an opportunity to solve protracted disputes, can be tempting", he added.

    "In such cases, we must find solutions that can benefit both sides, and open up a way forward. Otherwise, it would jeopardize the progress we have made towards EU integration", Reinfeldt said.



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