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Ukraine's Poroshenko +PACE Chair Kyriakides (Cyprus): No Credentials+No Dialogue during Occupation ?

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mercoledì, 11 ottobre 2017
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*Strasbourg/CoE/Angelo Marcopolo/- Despite the Kind Words between them, when Hard Facts were discussd with MEPs, the exchanges between Ukranian President Petro Poroschenko and CoE Assembly's (PACE) New President Stella Kyriakides, ChristianDemocrar/EPP MEP from Cyprus, took a Syrrealistic look, when it came to the obvious Question on What Progress was made for Peace between his 1st Official Visit to Strasbourg, back on June 2014, which had raised many Hopes (See, f.ex.: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/coevenicecommissiononukranianpresidentreforms.html , http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/coeandpoliticaldialogueinukraine.html , etc), and Today, on October 2017, with a quite more "Gray" situation, even if a Partial Implementation of the 2015 Minsk Agreements, seems to have been, meanwhile, a main cause for having avoided an escalation, in a still very Delicate situation, and a "Bumpy" but evolving Internal Reforms' process is on its way :

 

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 - Indeed, "at the time of your visit in 2014, Ukraine found itself in a profound Crisis, with a huge strain on the Ukrainian People and the Stability of the European continent. We hoped that the Next time you came we could celebrate the End of the crisis, But that is Unfortunately Not the case". However, "You came to us, at that time, with a strong Message : that it is only through Peaceful Dialogue that the conflict in Ukraine can be reSolved", reminded PACE's President.


 - "We (PACE) welcomed your approach and made it clear that the Assembly would keep Ukraine high on its Agenda. As you know, we have firmly supported and continue to support Ukraine’s Territorial Integrity and Sovereignty", as well as, "addressed in various Resolutions some of the most urgent Political and Humanitarian consequences of the conflict". + In Parallel, "at the same time, we have also insisted on the need to advance the Internal Reform agenda".


 - "Even if the Status of parts of Ukraine Not under the Government’s Control canNot be reSolved at This Moment", as noted Kyriakides, (Despite the fact that, as Poroshenko said Later, "several million people, ... now live in a Disastrous Humanitarian condition, ...level of Unemployment, ...conditions for the elderly, ...Limited access for children to Education", but "Poverty", in the pro-Autonomy Regions of Donetsk/Luhansk, which didN't yet got a Legal Status promised by Misk Agreement), the Ukranian President has "put in place" an "Ambitious Reform Agenda", where some "Progress" was "Achieved", on a "Positive Path".


- "Encouraging" him to "Devote even Greated Energy" also on "Other Urgent Reforms", such as "DeCentralisation" (Comp. Supra), "Fight against Corruption", and "Education", etc., she evoked also the fothcoming "Recommendations ...from the Assembly Tomorrow (Thursday) following the urgent Debate on the new Ukrainian Law on Education, (i.e., particularly, Minority Languages : Hungarian, Polish, Russian, etc).


=> Thus, "We (PACE's MEPs) Now look forward to hearing Your (2017) Message to us", she invited.


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 - Poroshenko, after "Congratulating" her for the "Election" as CoE Assembly's President, said that he was "Glad that this Event has practically Coincided with (his) Visit", because it's a rare, but "Timely", "Symbolic Juncture" :


- Particularly, as far as it concerns "protecting the Principles upon which this (CoE's) Assembly is founded", about which, "there is No place for Compromise",  "especially with those who, by all means", damage the "Values ... upon which we build our Cooperation", as he Criticized from the outset.


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CREDENTIALS
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=> - In particular, CoE's PanEuropean "Assembly, rightly reserved the right Not to renew the Credentials of the Russian Delegation, if Russia Continues its (Military) Occupation", Poroshenko pointed out, in his main Speech, at his own initiative, from the outset.

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POLITICAL PROCESS
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+ Moreover, Replying, afterwards, to MEPs' Questions, he also stressed that "what is Standing in the Way of a Political Solution", (as German MEP Barnett asked, on behalf of the Socialist Group), is the still unfullfiled "WithDrawal of all the Foreign Troops, including Russian Troops", from the Occupied Territory", as he called it :


 - "Can you Imagine any Political Process taking place when we have Occupying Troops in the Donbass ? Can you Imagine any Election meeting ...Democratic Standards Under the Occupation ...?", Poroshenko wondered, as he sees things, particularly in the pro-Autonomist Donetsk/Luhansk Regions.

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+ As for a Suggestion, by British MEP Miss Gilland, on behalf of the Conservatives, to hold a New "Referendum in Crimea, with three choices : to Stay with Ukraine, to stay with Russia, or to be semi-Independent, under UN supervision", Poroshenko replied that he was "Ready to Accept Anything which is Adequate for the Ukranian Constitution".


 - "But, Before we Talk about Anything (sic), Crimea should be Returned to Ukranian Sovereignity", he asked. Since, Otherwise, "it will be Impossible, because it is under Occupation". F.ex., "Can you Imagine a Referendum in the Czech SudetenLand in 1938 ? This is the Same", he claimed : "It is Impossible to hold a Referendum under the Barrels of Russian Tanks. I would Not be a Referendum, and would have Nothing to do with Democracy", as Porosenko presented things.

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+ The "Hottest" came, however, at the Conclusion : Dutch Senator Cox, on behalf of the Leftist Group, observed that "in 2014", the Ukranian President "said to this (CoE's) Assembly that the Only way out of the crisis in Ukraine was via Peaceful Dialogue". But, "it is Now October 2017 and still the peaceful Dialogue with the Citizens in the East of your country (still) Has to Start", he observed Critically.


 - "You put the Blame on the Russian Federation, and they bear a huge responsibility, but Where is Your Responsibility to finally do what you Promised : to Start a peaceful Dialogue with the (Dissident) Citizens of your country, (i.e. the pro-Autonomy Donetsk/Luhansk Regions), to find an end to this horrible crisis ?", Cox asked.  

>>> - "Can you imagine Any Dialogue with the Occupied Territory (of pro-Autonomy Regions of Donetsk/Luhansk) ? "The only Pre-Condition for that Dialogue is the Withdrawal of Russian Troops", sharply replied Poroshenko...

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 - "Thanking" the Ukranian President for "UpDating ... on the ... (Internal) Reforms", and for the "very Important" "Views" he expressed "on the Way forward for a Peaceful Settlement of the conflict in Donbass", PACE's new President resumed that, "For there to be Peace, stability and respect for Human Rights, Violence and Fighting must Stop. It is, therefore, very important to ensure Full implementation of the Minsk Agreement", Kyriakides briefly Concluded, (as expected, pointing at a Series of reciprocal Moves, that Both Sides have Not really made yet, according to an approximative Time-Table, which needs re-visiting : Comp. http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/fulltextsofallukraineagreements.html ).

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 One thing is certain : - If Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan read these exchanges, he would probably wish that the new PACE President would better inspire Poroshenko, more than he might have inspired her, (a Cyprus'  MEP) ...


Why ? Simply Because

(taken in the Order that all these Points were presented earlier, as really evoked):  

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- Cyprus does Not ask from CoE's Assembly to Refuse the ReNewal of "Credentials" to the "Turkish Delegation", "if Ankara Continues its (Military) Occupation" at the Northern part of the Island, (Contrary to what had just Asked the Ukranian President against Russian MEPs, (Comp. Supra).


And that, Even if Turkey's Military Invasion and Ocupation of Cyprus has been, and still is, Obvious and Undeniable, (as well as Denounced several times by UN Security Council's Resolutions, as well as EU Parliament's and COE's early Resolutions who have Asked for Ankara's Troops' Withdrawal. While, on the Contrary, Poroshenko's claims about alleged Russian Troops in the Donbass, are firmly Contested by Moscow, and Not Obvious, (except, perhaps, from some Private Individual "Volunteers", from various Countries, and/or "Humanitarian" Aid from Russia, etc).


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- Cyprus Never said that "Any Political (Peace) Process" for a Solution to the problem in the island, would be Impossible, as long as Turkish "Occupying Troops" still are at the Norhern Part of the Country, as Poroshenko just did, as far as "Donbass" region is concerned, and alleged Russian troops, (Comp. Supra).

 

On the Contrary, Cyprus' Government has been notoriously holding Peace Talks, under UN Auspices, in order to Find a Political Solution for the ReUnification of the Island, Both with representatives of the Turkish Cyprits pushed by Ankara to gather at the Territories obviously Invaded and Occupied by Turkey's Army at the Northern Part of the Island (since 1974), and, Recently, with Ankara's Government itself, (at a Multilateral "Conference" which opened at nearby Switzerland from 2016-2017).


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- Cyprus Never said offiially that it would be "Impossible to hold a Referendum" in the Territories of the Island which are "Under Occupation" by the Turkish "tanks", etc., Contrary to what Poroshenko just said, concerning Crimea (comp. supra). In fact, UNO's Peace Talks on Cyprus routinely foresaw Referenda also in the Occupied Territories controlled by Ankara's Military, (whenever a Political Deal might have been reached by representatives to UN-sponsored Talks).


Therefore, Cyprus Never Asked for the Occupied Territories to be, "Before we Talk about Anything", "Returned to [Cyprus'] Sovereignity", Contrary to the Ukranian President's claim (Comp. Supra).


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 Cyprus Never put as "PreCondition" to "Any Dialogue" (with "the Occupied Territory"), the previous "Withdrawal of [Turkish] Troops" from Ankara, which have Obviously Invaded and are still Occupying the Northern Part of the Island.


Contrary to what Poroshenko just asked, in relation to what he Finds to be "Russian Troops" in the Donbass, as he claimed, (Comp. Supra).

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Naturally, each Sovereign Country is, in principle, Free (under its own Responsibility) to Ask Whatever it Wants, for the "Credentials" of Other Countries' Delegations at the PACE, in order to participate at a "Peaceful Political Process", for "Referenda" in one or another Territory, and/or for "Dialogue", etc.


But these Crystal-clear Differences, had to be presented, in order to Avoid any Risk of Confusion, and for Mutual Reflexions in the foreseeable Future.


As well as in order to Dissipate any eventual Double Standards.

                                            

But, notoriously, a recent visit of Erdogan to Kiev, earlier this Month, didn't help at all to keep always Awake and alert an Open Eye on delicate Facts...


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People in Europe and the World expect from CoE to make a succes of its "Monitoring" for Human Rights and Democracy, despite difficulties, said Finland's President Tarja Halonen to "EuroFora" at a crucial moment for the mecanism built 15 years ago by the paneuropean organization which celebrates its 60th Anniversary in 2009.

Halonen, known as "Mother" of CoE's "Monitoring" mecanism, a long-time MEP and former Foreign Minister before becoming Finland's President, holds a long experience in the mattter, after also serving twice as CoE and EU Chairwoman in the past. That's why she is well placed to judge how CoE's "monitoring" should deal today with some crucial issues of importance both to CoE and to the EU.

The move came just a Month before a crucial, last visit to Turkey, scheduled for June, by the President of CoE''s "Monitoring" Committee, Ukranian MEP Serge Holovaty, to finalize his Report on Ankara, the CoE Member State with the longest Monitoring procedure. From its results depends its overall credibility.

This is a Test-case, because, in fact, it's in order to avoid Sanctions threatened against Turkey by a CoE's Assembly's April 1995 Resolution for grave Human Rights violations, Democracy gaps, the continuing Military Occupation in Cyprus, the unresolved Kurdish problem, Aegean differend with Greece, etc., that MEPs decided to create, for the 1st time on April 1996, a "Monitoring" proces, allegedly destinated to check, without excluding Countries who did not fulfill all CoE's standards.

In the Past, the obliged withdrawal of Greece's Military regime and of its "Civil" cover-up out of the CoE had helped bring back Democracy in 1974. But, on the contrary, since April 1996, the idea was to "monitor" Human Rights' respect while keeping most concerned Countries inside the CoE. After Turkey's oldest example, this was extended also to several former "Eastern" European Countries, even if CoE's Assembly has imposed to some of them (fex. Ukraine, Russia, etc., after Belarus, Serbia, etc) various "Sanctions", that Ankara always avoided. Curiously more succesful even than .. USA itself, (a CoE "Observer" since 1995), which has been at least threatened with sanctions some years ago..

EU-effects of CoE's Monitoring process became obvious between 2001-2008, since the "closure" of this procedure, when CoE felt that a Country had met most of its Human Rights, Democracy and Rule of Law obligations, (i.e. the "Copenhagen Criteria" for the EU), helped trigger Negotiations with the EU for "Accession" or other closer relations : This occured already before the 2004 and 2007 EU Enlargements to former "Eastern" European Countries, as well as for the commencement of "accession" negotiations with Croatia, and of "open-ended" negotiations with Turkey in 2005.

    But a stricking new development are Holovaty's recent findings that on core Human Rights issues as Torture and Freedom of Expression, Turkey, even "5 Years after" CoE closed its "Monitoring", back in 2004, inciting EU to start accession Negotiations in 2005, still presents grave problems.

    His findings are of crucial importance after a 2008 CoE Resolution called, "if need be", to "seriously consider the possibility of Re-Opening the Monitoring procedure for Turkey" : A move which might affect Ankara's controversial EU bid, since EU Accession Negotiations are based on the Hypothesis that the Candidate fullfils the "Copenhagen Criteria" (See above)..
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    Holovaty expressed his will to check  "Matters still Outstanding" and  those that he "didn't have an opportunity to discuss" at an earlier visit this year, "in order to discuss the more complex issues in greater depth", at his forthcoming New Visit to Ankara, before the December 2009 EU Summit.  This is all based on the 2004 CoE Resolution which stresses that, CoE "will continue.. post-monitoring Dialogue with the Turkish authorities,...in addition to a 12-points list,..and on any Other Matter that might arise in connection with Turkey’s Obligations as a CoE member state".

    CoE's Resolution also asks  from Turkey "to secure the proper Implementation of Judgements, particularly in the Cyprus v. Turkey InterState case", of 2001, which concerns also the plight of many Hundreds of MISSING People. It adds Turkey's obligations to "execute" ECHR's Judgements in the Loizidou case,..and in particular adopt General Measures to avoid repetition or continuation of Violations found by the Court" to the detriment of Refugees.

    Nevertheless, Holovaty said to "EuroFora" that "MISSING" persons,"might be included" and cannot be excluded, but he has yet to examine the situation "to find out  which issues will be raised" to the Turkish Government.

    Therefore, "EuroFora" asked Halonen, as the Historic "Mother" of CoE's Monitoring mecanism, if she thought that, "whenever there are grave Human Rights Violations, as fex. "MISSING" persons, attested even by ECHR's judgements, they should be always checked by a Monitoring process. Or could they be forgotten ?"
    
     - "We (CoE) must be, at the same time, Fair, Realistic, but not in the mind that "now we have Forgotten", etc., replied to "EuroFora"'s question Halonen, speaking as a matter of general principle.

    - "When we think of those People that are suffering from the lack of Democracy, of Human Rights, and of the Rule of Law", "we should find a base on how to deal with the (Monitoring) system more rapidly"', she stressed.

    - "Sometimes it's very difficult to combine Transparency and Effectivenes together, particularly in this specific case", she went on to say. But, "I have not found a (CoE Member) Country who could be insensitive in this sens", Halonen answered concerning grave Human Rights violations attested by the ECHR.

    - "I have no ready-made answer. I have the expectations that you, in the CoE, will, step by step, find the different types of the monitoring systems."

    Also "because this is a part of the UN's Post-Conflict system, (fex. when it comes to Cyprus' MISSING persons), and it's a more Global system". So that, "If we make a succes in Europe, the others will follow", throughout the World.  "But they expect that we (Europe) are this opportunity, this Opportunity to make a Succes", Halonen concluded.

    In addition, she advised to extend CoE's Monitoring to all its 47 Member States, "because, as long as we hear that, all these monitoring systems are "OK for the neighbor, but not for me", "it's very difficult" to understand. Something which could make easier to Compare...

    Finnish MEP Jaako Laakso, former CoE Rapporteur on the Occupied Territories of Cyprus and one of the 5 Signatories of the Historic CoE's call to create the "MONITORING" mecanism since 1996, was more specific :  - "We (CoE Assembly) have to find a way for the issue of Cyprus' MISSING People to be better followed", he stressed, anouncing his intention to "speak to Mr. Holovaty" about that. "There might be also other ways", added Laakso.

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    "Amnesty International believes that freedom of expression is not guaranteed given the various articles of the Criminal Code that restrict it. .. "For example, 1,300 Websites are said to have been closed down by the (Turkish) authorities in 2008" ! While "the new Turkish Criminal Code was used to bring a total of 1,072 proceedings between June 2005 and April 2008, and led to the conviction of 192 people", for expressing views. "Representatives of the Özgür Gündem newspaper, which specialises in Kurdish affairs, ..complained about Numerous Attacks on their Freedom of Expression ...as was everyone who advocated a settlement to the question by means other than the intervention of the army" "According to their figures, 19 Newspapers had been suspended 43 times between 4 August 2006 and 4 November 2008" !...

    Moreover, on 2008,  CoE's "Ministers adopted its 4rth Resolution on the execution of the judgments of the ECHR, ...and outstanding issues regarding 175 Judgements and decisions relating to Turkey delivered between 1996 and 2008...  concerning Deaths resulting from the excessive use of force by members of the Security forces, the failure to protect the right to life, the DIisappearance and/or death of individuals, Ill-Treatment and the Destruction of property". CoE's " Ministers urged the Turkish authorities ...to ensure that members of Security forces of all ranks can be prosecuted without administrative
authorisation" for "serious crimes". Holovaty reminded.

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    - "The Political Crisis that shook the country in the spring of 2008 highlighted the Weaknesses of the (Turkish) Constitution", which comes from the Military regime of 1982, "and the Urgent Need of Reforms", stressed from the outset CoE's Rapporteur in 2009. In particular, "the ...Democratic functioning of state institutions, including the independence of the judicial system, are crucial", he observes.

    But, "the Electoral  system and the ways in which it is circumvented do not appear to give those elected complete Legitimacy, and tend to pervert the course of direct universal suffrage", denounces Holovaty, observing that, even 5 Years later, Turkey did not yet change the 10% nationwide Threshold for a party to take any seat, which is "far higher" than the "3%" maximum in Europe and already condemned as contrary to European Standards by the CoE.

    + Moreover, EU Parliament's 2009 Report on Turkey, drafted by Dutch MEP Ria Oomen-Ruijten and adopted in Strasbourg on March, expresses "Concern over the Failure of the (Turkish) Judiciary to prosecute cases of Torture and Ill-treatment, the Number of which is Growing". EU also "is concerned about continuing Hostility and Violence against Minorities" in Turkey. It also "calls on the Turkish Government to launch, as a matter of Priority, a Political Initiatve favouring a lasting Settlement of the Kurdish issue, (while "condemning violence.. and terrorist groups"). EU "regrets that No progress has been made on establishing full, systematic Civilian suprevisory functions over the (Turkish) Military".

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