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Ukraine's Poroshenko +PACE Chair Kyriakides (Cyprus): No Credentials+No Dialogue during Occupation ?

Written by ACM
Wednesday, 11 October 2017
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*Strasbourg/CoE/Angelo Marcopolo/- Despite the Kind Words between them, when Hard Facts were discussd with MEPs, the exchanges between Ukranian President Petro Poroschenko and CoE Assembly's (PACE) New President Stella Kyriakides, ChristianDemocrar/EPP MEP from Cyprus, took a Syrrealistic look, when it came to the obvious Question on What Progress was made for Peace between his 1st Official Visit to Strasbourg, back on June 2014, which had raised many Hopes (See, f.ex.: http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/coevenicecommissiononukranianpresidentreforms.html , http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/coeandpoliticaldialogueinukraine.html , etc), and Today, on October 2017, with a quite more "Gray" situation, even if a Partial Implementation of the 2015 Minsk Agreements, seems to have been, meanwhile, a main cause for having avoided an escalation, in a still very Delicate situation, and a "Bumpy" but evolving Internal Reforms' process is on its way :

 

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 - Indeed, "at the time of your visit in 2014, Ukraine found itself in a profound Crisis, with a huge strain on the Ukrainian People and the Stability of the European continent. We hoped that the Next time you came we could celebrate the End of the crisis, But that is Unfortunately Not the case". However, "You came to us, at that time, with a strong Message : that it is only through Peaceful Dialogue that the conflict in Ukraine can be reSolved", reminded PACE's President.


 - "We (PACE) welcomed your approach and made it clear that the Assembly would keep Ukraine high on its Agenda. As you know, we have firmly supported and continue to support Ukraine’s Territorial Integrity and Sovereignty", as well as, "addressed in various Resolutions some of the most urgent Political and Humanitarian consequences of the conflict". + In Parallel, "at the same time, we have also insisted on the need to advance the Internal Reform agenda".


 - "Even if the Status of parts of Ukraine Not under the Government’s Control canNot be reSolved at This Moment", as noted Kyriakides, (Despite the fact that, as Poroshenko said Later, "several million people, ... now live in a Disastrous Humanitarian condition, ...level of Unemployment, ...conditions for the elderly, ...Limited access for children to Education", but "Poverty", in the pro-Autonomy Regions of Donetsk/Luhansk, which didN't yet got a Legal Status promised by Misk Agreement), the Ukranian President has "put in place" an "Ambitious Reform Agenda", where some "Progress" was "Achieved", on a "Positive Path".


- "Encouraging" him to "Devote even Greated Energy" also on "Other Urgent Reforms", such as "DeCentralisation" (Comp. Supra), "Fight against Corruption", and "Education", etc., she evoked also the fothcoming "Recommendations ...from the Assembly Tomorrow (Thursday) following the urgent Debate on the new Ukrainian Law on Education, (i.e., particularly, Minority Languages : Hungarian, Polish, Russian, etc).


=> Thus, "We (PACE's MEPs) Now look forward to hearing Your (2017) Message to us", she invited.


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 - Poroshenko, after "Congratulating" her for the "Election" as CoE Assembly's President, said that he was "Glad that this Event has practically Coincided with (his) Visit", because it's a rare, but "Timely", "Symbolic Juncture" :


- Particularly, as far as it concerns "protecting the Principles upon which this (CoE's) Assembly is founded", about which, "there is No place for Compromise",  "especially with those who, by all means", damage the "Values ... upon which we build our Cooperation", as he Criticized from the outset.


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CREDENTIALS
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=> - In particular, CoE's PanEuropean "Assembly, rightly reserved the right Not to renew the Credentials of the Russian Delegation, if Russia Continues its (Military) Occupation", Poroshenko pointed out, in his main Speech, at his own initiative, from the outset.

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+ Moreover, Replying, afterwards, to MEPs' Questions, he also stressed that "what is Standing in the Way of a Political Solution", (as German MEP Barnett asked, on behalf of the Socialist Group), is the still unfullfiled "WithDrawal of all the Foreign Troops, including Russian Troops", from the Occupied Territory", as he called it :


 - "Can you Imagine any Political Process taking place when we have Occupying Troops in the Donbass ? Can you Imagine any Election meeting ...Democratic Standards Under the Occupation ...?", Poroshenko wondered, as he sees things, particularly in the pro-Autonomist Donetsk/Luhansk Regions.

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+ As for a Suggestion, by British MEP Miss Gilland, on behalf of the Conservatives, to hold a New "Referendum in Crimea, with three choices : to Stay with Ukraine, to stay with Russia, or to be semi-Independent, under UN supervision", Poroshenko replied that he was "Ready to Accept Anything which is Adequate for the Ukranian Constitution".


 - "But, Before we Talk about Anything (sic), Crimea should be Returned to Ukranian Sovereignity", he asked. Since, Otherwise, "it will be Impossible, because it is under Occupation". F.ex., "Can you Imagine a Referendum in the Czech SudetenLand in 1938 ? This is the Same", he claimed : "It is Impossible to hold a Referendum under the Barrels of Russian Tanks. I would Not be a Referendum, and would have Nothing to do with Democracy", as Porosenko presented things.

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DIALOGUE :
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+ The "Hottest" came, however, at the Conclusion : Dutch Senator Cox, on behalf of the Leftist Group, observed that "in 2014", the Ukranian President "said to this (CoE's) Assembly that the Only way out of the crisis in Ukraine was via Peaceful Dialogue". But, "it is Now October 2017 and still the peaceful Dialogue with the Citizens in the East of your country (still) Has to Start", he observed Critically.


 - "You put the Blame on the Russian Federation, and they bear a huge responsibility, but Where is Your Responsibility to finally do what you Promised : to Start a peaceful Dialogue with the (Dissident) Citizens of your country, (i.e. the pro-Autonomy Donetsk/Luhansk Regions), to find an end to this horrible crisis ?", Cox asked.  

>>> - "Can you imagine Any Dialogue with the Occupied Territory (of pro-Autonomy Regions of Donetsk/Luhansk) ? "The only Pre-Condition for that Dialogue is the Withdrawal of Russian Troops", sharply replied Poroshenko...

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 - "Thanking" the Ukranian President for "UpDating ... on the ... (Internal) Reforms", and for the "very Important" "Views" he expressed "on the Way forward for a Peaceful Settlement of the conflict in Donbass", PACE's new President resumed that, "For there to be Peace, stability and respect for Human Rights, Violence and Fighting must Stop. It is, therefore, very important to ensure Full implementation of the Minsk Agreement", Kyriakides briefly Concluded, (as expected, pointing at a Series of reciprocal Moves, that Both Sides have Not really made yet, according to an approximative Time-Table, which needs re-visiting : Comp. http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/fulltextsofallukraineagreements.html ).

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 One thing is certain : - If Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan read these exchanges, he would probably wish that the new PACE President would better inspire Poroshenko, more than he might have inspired her, (a Cyprus'  MEP) ...


Why ? Simply Because

(taken in the Order that all these Points were presented earlier, as really evoked):  

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- Cyprus does Not ask from CoE's Assembly to Refuse the ReNewal of "Credentials" to the "Turkish Delegation", "if Ankara Continues its (Military) Occupation" at the Northern part of the Island, (Contrary to what had just Asked the Ukranian President against Russian MEPs, (Comp. Supra).


And that, Even if Turkey's Military Invasion and Ocupation of Cyprus has been, and still is, Obvious and Undeniable, (as well as Denounced several times by UN Security Council's Resolutions, as well as EU Parliament's and COE's early Resolutions who have Asked for Ankara's Troops' Withdrawal. While, on the Contrary, Poroshenko's claims about alleged Russian Troops in the Donbass, are firmly Contested by Moscow, and Not Obvious, (except, perhaps, from some Private Individual "Volunteers", from various Countries, and/or "Humanitarian" Aid from Russia, etc).


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- Cyprus Never said that "Any Political (Peace) Process" for a Solution to the problem in the island, would be Impossible, as long as Turkish "Occupying Troops" still are at the Norhern Part of the Country, as Poroshenko just did, as far as "Donbass" region is concerned, and alleged Russian troops, (Comp. Supra).

 

On the Contrary, Cyprus' Government has been notoriously holding Peace Talks, under UN Auspices, in order to Find a Political Solution for the ReUnification of the Island, Both with representatives of the Turkish Cyprits pushed by Ankara to gather at the Territories obviously Invaded and Occupied by Turkey's Army at the Northern Part of the Island (since 1974), and, Recently, with Ankara's Government itself, (at a Multilateral "Conference" which opened at nearby Switzerland from 2016-2017).


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- Cyprus Never said offiially that it would be "Impossible to hold a Referendum" in the Territories of the Island which are "Under Occupation" by the Turkish "tanks", etc., Contrary to what Poroshenko just said, concerning Crimea (comp. supra). In fact, UNO's Peace Talks on Cyprus routinely foresaw Referenda also in the Occupied Territories controlled by Ankara's Military, (whenever a Political Deal might have been reached by representatives to UN-sponsored Talks).


Therefore, Cyprus Never Asked for the Occupied Territories to be, "Before we Talk about Anything", "Returned to [Cyprus'] Sovereignity", Contrary to the Ukranian President's claim (Comp. Supra).


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 Cyprus Never put as "PreCondition" to "Any Dialogue" (with "the Occupied Territory"), the previous "Withdrawal of [Turkish] Troops" from Ankara, which have Obviously Invaded and are still Occupying the Northern Part of the Island.


Contrary to what Poroshenko just asked, in relation to what he Finds to be "Russian Troops" in the Donbass, as he claimed, (Comp. Supra).

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Naturally, each Sovereign Country is, in principle, Free (under its own Responsibility) to Ask Whatever it Wants, for the "Credentials" of Other Countries' Delegations at the PACE, in order to participate at a "Peaceful Political Process", for "Referenda" in one or another Territory, and/or for "Dialogue", etc.


But these Crystal-clear Differences, had to be presented, in order to Avoid any Risk of Confusion, and for Mutual Reflexions in the foreseeable Future.


As well as in order to Dissipate any eventual Double Standards.

                                            

But, notoriously, a recent visit of Erdogan to Kiev, earlier this Month, didn't help at all to keep always Awake and alert an Open Eye on delicate Facts...


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3 EU Parliament votes to boost EuroGroup !

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After EuroZone Paris Summit's succes, Sarkozy calls to "think anew how to re-construct Europe !

"EuroZone and EU Institutional debates pave the way to 2009 discussions on EU Future, including Enlargment, Turkey etc. ?


23 October 2008

After EU Parliament strongly suppported in 3 successive Votes this week in Strasbourg French EU Chairmanship's move to boost Euro-Group at EU's core, while ideas on EU Institutional problems are awaited on December, "it's an open Question now" if this may lead to a debate on EU's Future, or not, told us French President, Nicolas Sarkozy''s Spokesman, Pierre-Jerome Henin.

MEPs voted on Thursday fresh Funds to support EuroGroup, after adopting on Wednesday a Resolution asking a "further Evolution" to "the 1st ever meeting of Heads of State and of Government of the Euro-Zone, taking decisions in that capacity", while earlier this week a Report asked "a stronger Institutional setting" for "EuroGroup", extended from "competitiveness/industry" to "environment, employment and education", with "increased powers for Political decision-making", according to a text drafted by French MEP Francoise Beres and German MEP Werner Langen, "10 Years after the creation of Euro" (1999 - 2009).

- Brussels' subsequent "EU Council ..(simply)..ratified the measures decided by EuroGroup on October 12" in Paris, which "were necessary to contain the current Financial Crisis", Resolution observes, expressing also support to the new process succesfully initiated by Sarkozy and due to be completed by agreements with USA and other countries at a Global level.

From now on, it's between two differend but parallel moves : EU's delay, and EuroZone's acceleration, that Enlargement and particularly Turkey's controversial EU bid, will have to search its way :

Indeed, EU's 27 expect a "Roadmap on how to deal with the Irish problem" on Lisbon Treaty ratification after December, risking to pass even 2009 Elections and next Commission with the old Nice Treaty of 2000, out-dated and unfit even for 2004's Enlargement...

On the contrary, EU's core launches a real "Economic Governance for EuroZone at the highest level of Heads of State/Government" of the 15, which started in Paris on October 12 and was strongly supported this week in Strasbourg by Sarkozy and EU Parliament.
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- "It's a good idea, to launch such a debate ("on EU's Future") in EU Parliament in view of 2009 Euro-Election : Perhaps some MEPs will seize an opportunity", told us mainstream French MEP Alain Lamassoure, former EU Minister and EU Spokesman for France's governing party UMP.

- "All MEPs' debates on such EU Councils are also part of the larger debate on Europe's future : Now with EuroZone, and even more when, on December, Irish Prime Minister is due to table proposals in Strasbourg on how to deal with EU Treaty's ratification", replied earlier to our question EU Parliament's Press Director and Spokesman, Jaume Duch.
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Sarkozy has formally anounced his intention to open EU Debates on Economy, Identity/Enlargement (i.e. mainly Turkey), etc. both linked to a popular Political view of Europe, since his Historic speeches on EU in Strasbourg, on February and July 2007, when he stressed that "Europe needs a New Renaissance". At the beginning of the French EU Presidency, on July 2008, replying to a MEP, he suggested that EU Parliament takes an active part in Debates on EU's Future.

- Now, in 2008, "Crisis are an opportunity to re-think how to re-construct Europe", Sarkozy stressed. At any case, the Historic 1st EuroZone Summit of Heads of State/Government, which started replying to the Financial crisis,"is a Turning Point : After that, Europe cannot be governed as before, but differently" : People "like a Europe with Strong Will".

- "We must make the System move !", "Europe needs Innovation" and free political debates. EU "Elections are in a few Months", Sarkozy warned.

He invited EU Parliament to fully play its role as "the Democratic Heart of the Europe we want : United, Independent and Voluntarist, because the World needs Europe's voice".

- "It's no more possible for Euro-Zone to continue without an Economic Government" at the Highest Level of Heads of State/Government, who provide "Democratic Legitimity" and can take important decisions, he announced, strongly supported by EU Parliament's Economic Committee which just voted to boost the "Institutional" aspects of "EuroGroup".

Plasticity offered by the current absence of a special Treaty on EuroZone's Institutions "made it easy to adapt the organization of the 1st Summit with imagination, to efficiently meet urgent needs", he observed, on the occasion of Brittish Prime Minister's exceptionnal presence at the greatest part of EuroGroup's Paris Summit.

- "In EuroZone we have the same Bank, the same Money, and, thus, a same duty for Unity" : "By bringing together EuroGroup's 15 members States we suceeded to find a solution and prepare a Giant Plan of 1.800 Billion euros", Sarkozy reminded of Paris' 1st Historic EuroZone's Summit.

Afterwards, Brussels' EU Council followed the move, and USA's Paulson II Plan was inspired from that. "Europe must promote the idea of Global Economy's Refoundation", he stressed.

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- "I was frankly astonished when I found, at the EU, a rigid system, where any New Idea was seen from the outset as a sacrilege, while, on the contrary, Europe needs Innovation !", he described.

F.ex. ,"'When we first spoke about the "Union for the Mediterranean", it was misunderstood as something extraordinary.. When later we had the Russia -Georgia crisis, it seemed against EU's custom to act "in the middle of August", instead of staying a passive spectator ! And when, in front of the Financial ciris, we gathered the 1st EuroZone Summit of the "15", some thought of it as a lese-majesté", he denounced.
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On Geo-Political Principles :
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- But, by moving resolutely, "EU obtained the ...withdrawal of Occupation Troops in 2 Months !", reminded Sarkozy, observing that Russia "fulfilled its commitments", in the Georgian crisis, where a "disroportionate reaction" from Moscow followed a "totally inappropriate action" from Tbilisi's troops. "It would be crazy to reply by military means : EU should not become accomplice of another Cold War, imposed by lack of cool heads".. as he said.

In future, "the creation of a common European Economic Area with EU and Russia, would also obtain a raprochment on our Human Rights and Democratic Values", added Sarkozy, in a statement which should logically be applied, a fortiori, to controversial EU "candidate" Turkey..

Particularly when, the same week that EU Parliament voted 2009 EU Funds for Turkey's controversial EU bid, ECHR took a series of judgements condemning Turkey for grave Violations of Human Rights, such as : Torture, death of a political prisoner in unclear circumstances followed by failure to conduct a proper Investigation, "enforced Disappearance" of a youngster aged 17, Killing of a sepherd with Tank Shells, persecuting Journalists for articles on "Missing" People, even a former President of Human Rights' Association, (etc)

- "We (EU) can defend our ideas on respect of Sovereignity and territorial Integrity, on Human Rights and other differences ... without confrontation", Sarkozy stressed, on the occasion of Russian/Georgian conflict, reminding that : "we were only 2 steps from catastroph", when a Peace agreement brokered in Moscow prevented, at the last minute, Russian troops' advance towards Tbilisi.

An EU Parliament Resolution adopted Wednesday in Strasbourg on the occasion of Russia - Georgia conflict, outlines a set of Principle which apply elsewhere too, (particularly when EU Rapporteur for Russia and Turkey is one and same person ; Dutch MEP Ria Oomen-Ruijtanen !)

Clearly rejecting any "military solution to the conflicts", MEPs "condemn ..all those who resorted to force and violence". They denounce a "disproportionate military action", "as well as (an) unilateral decision to recognise the independence" of brekaway regions, "calling.. to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity" of the concerned country, "and the inviolability of its borders recognised by all EU Member States". They warn that "EU must review its policy towards" a 3rd Country, "should .(it)...not comply with its commitments", and "stress that the withdrawal of.... troops from the areas ....is an essential additional step".

EU Parliament "calls for the safe and quick return of refugees, (accepted by Russian President Medvedev) accompanied by the deployment of EU observers on the ground", and "regrets ...that ..EU Monitoring Mission (EUMM) is not allowed to enter the ...breakaway regions". Moreover, "It's important to ensure that persons and NGOs ..engaged in defending human and civil rights can operate". "Until ...all remaining issues (are) resolved..., and notably the continuing ...Military presence", "relations with the EU ..cannot be fully normalised", MEPS warned.

As nobody likes to be accused to practice "Double Standards", this should be regarded as "Principles" applicable to any Third Country at EU's Neighborhood.. No ?

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On Economy :

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- "When Financial crisis shook US and EU's Banks, without result from the 1st (American) Paulsen plan, it was the common reply of the 1st EuroZone's Summit, involving some 1800 Billion euros, which started a positive move in the markets, soon strengthened by the follow-up of the US Paulson 2 Plan, noted Sarkozy.

- "Europe should not be only on the defensive, but, if necessary, know also how to take an offensive", he said, brushing away hesitationsto act on Economy: - "I'm for a refondation of Capitaliism, but against Speculators, who betray its values" : "Lack of Rules was profitable to speculators, Not to businessmen !" We must make sure to prevent any such crisis in future". "We, the rest of the World, cannot continue to bear the deficits of the 1st World power without saying anything !", the French President said, applauded by EU Parliament. All this needs "a New Global Governance", on which EU Parliament must debate. That's why "we proposed together with USA, several Summits from mid-November", to which G-8, enlarged to China, India a.o. countries, should participate. UNO's SG; Ban Ki Moon, the IMF, etc.

Financial crisis lowered shares' prices even for healthy companies, sometimes to 1/3 of their initial price, so that strangers might buy EU industries for only a portion of their real value, and Europeans may wake up one day with their main industries sold out to foreigners !

That's one of the reasons for which EU should debate about creating "Golden Shares" for States to jointly take Strategic participations to help European Industries until the end of the Crisis, particularly against distording competition, he suggested, pointing at USA's 35 billion $ plan for American Car Industry."We shall struggle for Europe to be able to build Airplanes, Ships, Trains, Cars, because we need a strong Industry", he concluded.

"F.ex. as we did back in 2004, when as Finance Minister, we bought Alsthom's shares for 800.000 euros, and, after restructuring, we sold them for 2 Millions : Help a company and make money is not so bad"...

As for the UK, "when Ireland announced that it would guarantee only Irish Banks, London City emptied from liquidities in 24 hours : It's the EU which helped to restore the situation, Not the UK alone !", reminded Sarkozy to nationalist British MEP Nigel Farage.

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On the contrary, in a last-minute attempt for the EU to catch-up with its Institutional delay "before the European Elections" of June 2009, MEPs simply voted a call for a "set of proposals" to be made for the "Irish public opinion" at the end of the year...

- "As long as Lisbon Treaty is not ratified by all 27 EU Member States, there is an unanimous decision to stop Enlargement, reminded Wednesday in Strasbourg the French Minister for EU affairs, Jean-Pierre Jouyet..

Added to an indirect but clear warning that, without Lisbon Treaty, all 27 EU Member Countries may not have a Commissioner in the 2009 resuffle, MEPS in the Constitutional/Foreign affairs Committees applauded hoping that this might motivate their Irish friends..

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