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Hungary: Victor Orban gets in Popular Referendum More Registered Voters than EU + USA Leaders !

Written by ACM
Sunday, 02 October 2016
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At the Eve of an important forthcoming EU Brussels Summit, the embattled Prime Minister of Hungary, Victor Orban, a ChristianDemocrat/EPP Political Leader who is notoriosuly very Popular in his Country : Hungary, (where he's Won 3 Majority Votes in a Series of National and EU Parliament Elections in a row recently), and often Expresses "Visegrad" Group of Center-Eastern EU Member Countries on "Hot" Topical Issues, managed also Today to Win with More than an Astonishing + 98% an Exceptional Popular Referendum against an "Obligatory" reallocation of Irregular Migrants/Mass Asylum Seekers recently Tresspassing into the EU through Turkey, threatened to be Imposed by some EU Commission Officials even Against a Refusal by the National Parliament of the Country.


His Victory on the Greates Part of Voters being uncontested, the Opposed Minority mainly of the Socialist party and some affiliated NGOs, (including, obviously, those Funded by Controversial Millionaire Soros, as Recent "Wikileaks" revelations denounced), had notoriously Focused on various Attempts to Block that Popular Referendum from regularly Expressing the Hungarian People's Political Will, (See also relevant Concrete Facts noted Infra), mainly by "Boycotting" any Participation.


However, Despite that, and several Controversial Blockade attemps (See some Facts Infra), finaly, a Popular Turnout of reportedly about 43,5%, in which almost ALL Voters Supported Victor Orban's popular Critical stance, (alike that of all "Visegrad" Group EU Member Countries, and of much more, as well as of an Absolute Majority of People in France, Germany, the UK, etc., according a lot of recent Polls+), undeniably Succeeded to get a Big enough Support from the People, which is, in Fact, much Bigger than that of Most Other EU and/or even USA Leaders !


Indeed, by Getting a Positive Boost by almost ALL among 43% of Registed Voters Today, (i.e. More than 98% of +43,5% participants : Comp. Supra), Victor Orban is clearly Supported much More by his People than f.ex. EU Parliament's and/or EU Commission's experienced Presidents, (pârticularly since a 1999-2004 Sharp Fall of Participation in EU Elections, but even those elected Back on 2014 with Only a Smaller Part of the 43,9% participants, resulting in something around Only 29-30% of Registered Voters), and most USA's powerful Presidents, who use to get elected Often with Only a Part of just a 49% or 50% Turnout, (i.e., in Real Practice, something often Less than - 30% of Registered Voters !). And this Contrast is Even Bigger vis a vis US Senate and/or Congress, who notoriously use to have an even Smaller popular Participation at their main, "Mid-Term" Elections, each one among the 2 Big Parties getting, practicaly, a Small Minority of Registered Voters, with a Turnout which Fell Down to Only ... 33 to 37% of Registered Voters, already in 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998, 2002, 2006, and 2010, etc? (according to Official US Federal Government Data available at "Census.Gov", etc), Droping, more Recently, at 2012-2014, to "the Worst Turnout in 72 Years !", as New York Times reported...


Also, in Comparison, the current French President Hollande (Socialist) stays in power for 5 Years with Only a Minority of about 37% of Registered Voters, (i.e. just a 51% Part among 80% Participants, Minus some - 6% of exceptionaly Numerous Spoilt or Null Votes). Even the still Popular German Chancellor Merkel got in her Best ever Result, back on 2013, just about 30% of Registered Voters (i.e. 40% out of a 71% Turnout), needing a bumpy Compromise with the Socialists in order to hold a so-called "Gro-Ko" which used to have just a Minority of sme 46% of Registered Voters, before the Recent Fall of the Socialists, partly followed even by the CDU, in the Latest Polls and/or Regional Elections). As for former British Prime Minister Cameron, (succceeded by Theresa May after a Majority "BREXIT" Referendum on Summer 2016), he Governed alone, since Back on 2015, with Only roughly 26% of Registered Voters, (i.e. Less than 37% out of a Turnout of 66,4%). Similar real Figures are even Lower, in fact, at several Other EU Countries, such as Italy, Spain, Greece, and many more...

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Replying to Journalists' Questions, including "Eurofora", in a Press Conference at the latest EU Heads of State/Government Summit in Bratislava, the Hungarian Prime Minister had mainly Stressed that the Issue at Stake, on which he wished to Give a Chance for the People to Experss their Views, Threatened to adversely Affect and Alter his Country's Historic Cultural "Identity", echoing various Similar Criticismes already Expressed, mutatis-mutandis also by Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico, (an atypical Socialist, and current EU Council's Chairman : Comp. PM. Fico's Reply to a relevant "Eurofora" Question at his Press Conference to June 2016 EU Summit in Brussels, at : ....).

A quasi-Systematic Exclusion of Christian Minorities, from an almost Exclusively islamized Mass of Migrants "Filtered" through Turkey, inevitably Added substance in such Arguments, (to the point that, Contrary to his Initial wish, ...even Pope Francis didN't manage to Find Not even 1 Christian out of 3 Families from Syria that he Brought to Rome from the Greek island of Lesvos, near the Turkish Boders !).

More or less Similar Opinions have been Recently Expressed, on this Same, Controversial matter, about a notoriously Failed EU Commissioner's initial attempt to "ReLocate" by Biinding Measures Imposed to EU Member Countries, a Number of irregular Migrants/Mass Asylum Seekers arriving through Turkey, also by other Top Officials from the Czech Republic, and/or Poland, etc., who have also Added strong "Security" Concerns, particularly after the Recent Long Series of Extremist Islamic Terrorism Brutal Attacks against Innocent Civilian People in France, Germany, the UK, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, etc, (especialy Warsaw, f.ex. after a Horrible Murder of a poor Polish Woman hit with a Machette by a heavily bearded Muslim Migrant from Syria, working at a Turkish Kebbab shop at nearby Reutlingen, which had Obvious links with Islamistic Fundamentalist Networks, See, f.ex., Facts noted at : ......), etc.

Last, but not least, such Issues notoriously played an Important Role also at the Recent "BREXIT" Popular Referendum in Great Britain, (given also UKIP's campaign main Focus, etc), on June 2016.

So that even EU Council President, former Polish Prime Minister, Donald Tusk's recent Official Letter to the 27 EU Heads of State/Government gathered in a Crucial Summit at Bratislava, included at least some approximatively, more or less, similar concerns, warning against the risk to ignore most People's real feelings after the recent events, (See, f.ex., the relevant "Eurofora's NewsReport, with extracts from Tusk's Original text, at : http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/tuskdramaticletterforbratislavaeusummit.html )

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The Fact that, due to a Technicality specific to some particular characteristics of Hungarian Law, usualy a National Referendum should have a Turnout of at least 50% of Registered Voters in order to become Legaly Binding, is obviously Irrelevant, here : Indeed, this mainly Concerns "Legislative" Referenda, which have Nothing to do with the Substance of the Real Issue which is at Stake Now. Moreover, if such a Logic was Equaly Applied Everywhere, then, it's, among Many Others, even ... several US Federal Elections, as well as .. All EU Parliament's Elections since 1999, and the French Presidential Election of 2012, (etc), which should, Logicaly, be also Declared as "UnGutlich" or "Null and Non-Void" !... Last, but not least, the above-mentioned, Important Political Significance of such a Big Percentage of Registered Voters Supporting Victor Orban's clearly declared Stance, (and not only of +98% among the Expressed Votes), which, by far, Bypasses even the Strongest EU Leaders' Popular Support, as we've already seen above, (Comp. Data and concrete, Comparative Percenages' Analysis, presented Supra), certainly canNot be Totaly Ignored by the EU, at least not as a really Democratic Institution, caring for European People's democraticaly and Clearly Expressed Views.


+ Particularly when, in Addition to a Nation-wide "Boycot" of Today's Popular Referendum in Hungary, Socialist and some other Municipalities holding from the Past an area covering almost 33% of the National Population, (and Totaling, combined, almost 3,9 Millions of Potential Voters), reportedly Deprived all Citizens there from any "Government Information", Refusing to publish it at all.


On the Contrary, the "Liberal" Party had called for a "Yes" Vote to the controversial, Obligatory EU Commission reallocation of Irregular Migrants/Mass Asylum Seekers coming through Turkey, even if the National Assembly clearly Refused to obey to that. By a "Coincidence", almost at the Same Time, a 1st level Court even Hindered a Municipality in France to give to its Citizens any Chance to Democraticaly Express their Views by a Popular Referendum on that same issue of the Obligatory Allocation of irregular Mass Migrants to their City, (at a Demand made by the current, Outgoing Socialist Government).


In consequence, Popular Demonstrations were Now in the process of being Organized by the Population of other affected Municipalities throughout France.


This comes just After various Similar Popular Movements also in Both Mainland Greece and in Frontline Islands facing the Turkish Borders, where Smugglers have notoriously re-Activated recently their illegal Traffick, despite a FRONTEX (and even ...NATO !) presence at the Aegean Sea, (where the current Government in Athens still refuses, however, to Stop Turkish Smugglers' Human Traffick from reaching EU's External Borders, provoking repeated Protests also from Many Other European Countries affected by the 2015-2016 Massive Influx through Turkey).


In Comparison, more than 1,5 Million irregular Migrants/Mass Asylum Seekers through Turkey have crossed (EU and Shengen area Member) Greece's and EU's External Borders at the Agean Sea on 2015-2016, while, on the Contrary, in the Recent Past, f.ex. on 2014, the Total Number of "Irregular Migrants" who entered the EU in Greece were "Only" ...77.000, according to the current Government's official figures, (and even Less on 2012-2013).


Significantly, it's Only during some former PASOK (Socialist) Governments, Back on 1995 or 2000 that the Number of "irregular Migrants" tresspassing into the EU at Greece had been, respectively, much Higher : 254.000 and almost 300.000, (that Last, Highest Figure coinciding with EU's notoriously Controversial and UnPopular 1999-2000 attempt to Give Turkey, for the 1st Time in History, a Status of so-called "Candidate to (full) Accession" inside the EU, provoking 3 "No" to Three Popular Referenda on a Draft EU Constitution in France, the Netherlands, and Ireland, between 2005-2007.


That Institutional Deadlock was Partialy Lifted only 5 Years Later, on 2010, when a "Simplified" EU Reform Version was adopted by the "Lisbon Treaty", following former French President Nicolas Sarkozy's crystal-clear Opposal to Turkey's controversial and unpopular EU bid since May 2007, (added to that of German Chancelor Angie Merkel's also Reluctant stance since October 2005 National, and May 2009 European Parliament Elections, while, already, a December 2006 EU Summit in Brussels had at least "Freezed" Many Negotiation Chapters with Turkey, due to Ankara's persisting Refusal to abide by its Obligations vis a vis EU Principles).


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Given All these Crystal-clear Facts, there is no need, Now, to re-play ..."Earth Band"/Manfred Mann's Alternative Rock Song "Angels at my Gate", with which they had the Premonition to Start, as No 1, an Historic Concert precisely at Hungary's Capital, Budapest, already as early as since 1983 (i.e. even Before the Fall of Berlin's Wall), whose Lyrics go almost like this :  


- "Numbers (are) in the Air" : Don't mind if it may be "63, 62, 61, 60", or "59, 58, 57, 56, ..54", etc. What matters is that, in Substance ... -"Good Angels (are) at My Gate !"...

- Or, should we also "Place anoOther bet", Now, "as the Stakes get Higher" ? (that same, by an astonishing Coincidence, almost Premonitory, No 1 Budapest Song went on to ask).

 

=> I.e. perhaps, a fully-fledged, EU-wide, European popular Referendum, giving to all European Citizens a Fair and Crystal-clear Chance to Democraticaly Express their large Majority Views on such and other Topical "Hot" Issues, (as a Topical Question raised, just a few Days ago, at the 1st EU-27 Summit in Bratislava Bratislava, crucial both for EU's immediate Present and foreseable Future ?...


>>> See relevant "Eurofora"s NewsReports from the Bratislava EU Summit, with Replies from EU Parliament President Martin Schulz and Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban to our Question, precisely on that Topical matter, raised as a matter of General Principle, by another Timely Coincidence, just Hours after the World Day for Democracy..., at : http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/victororbanoneuropeanandnationalreferenda.html + .....



- Why not ?


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ECHR's President to "EuroFora" on Journalists Gongadze and Adali murders : Principles must apply to all States, without discrimination.


+ ECHR's Statistics on Freedom of Expression (See below).


 European Court of Human Rights' President, Jean-Paul Costa, questioned by "EuroFora" on Journalists' murders, as in Gongadze and Adali's cases etc., strongly stressed all CoE Member States' obligation to make efficient Investigations to find and punish those responsible, and underlined that ECHR's case-law's principles must apply to all without any discrimination.

His call was clearly supported by various Top MEPs who denounced a risk of "Double Standards" if some Journalists' murders are investigated, while others don't.

To avoid such risks, CoE's Parliamentary Assembly adopted a Resolution, on the occasion of Ukranian Journalist Gongadze's murder, "stressing", as a matter of general Principle, "the importance it attaches to the safety of Journalists and political activists, especially those linked to opposition groups, in ALL member states of the CoE". All "crimes against journalists and political activists must be investigated ... as a matter of priority, without political interference".

Costa was replying to "EuroFora"s question on the fact that, after CoE's Committee of Ministers, also CoE's Assembly had just adopted a Resolution on Gongadze murder case, based on an ECHR's judgement of 2005, asking a full Investigation from Ukraine, who has found and condemned  in 10 years of jail 2 executants, but not yet the instigators.

While nothing similar was yet done for dissident Turkish Cypriot Kutlu Adali's murder, with 5 bullets shot at his head out of his Family's home in the territories of Cyprus occupied by Ankara's army, despite another ECHR's judgement of the same year 2005, and despite Turkey's claim that nobody was found among those responsible for the murder, and that there was nothing more to do..

In order to be credible and efficient, CoE's mechanisms shouldn't find a way to at least ask for full investigations of all Journalists' murders anywhere they might be committed, without exceptions ?

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- "On the larger question that you raised, I'd like to say, since we are in a period of stock-taking on ECHR's 50 Years, that the Court's case-law developed certain concepts ....such as the Positive obligations of States, part of which are also the procedural obligations", started to reply ECHR's President.

 - "Whenever Journalists, Lawyers, Defenders of Human Rights, or even simple Citizens are murdered, the States are held responsible, not only if its their own security forces' agents who committed these murders, but also if they didn't make sufficiently substantial and efficient Investigations", he stressed.

- "I want to strongly underline that we (ECHR) have found in many cases numerous violations of Articles 2 and 3 against States, ....(about) murders or torture, ...because they didn't make enough Investigations in order to try to find and punish those responsible".

- "We (ECHR) do that vis-a-vis all 47 (CoE) Member States, without any discrimination".

"Naturally, the circumstances in each particular case may be differend, and we can't ommit to apply the rules of proof, or the rules of criminal procedure".

"But we try, by all means, to apply these principles of our case-law, to all States", he concluded.

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      Costa's call was strongly supported by several Top CoE MEPs, from various Political areas


- "To investigate the murder of one Journalist, and not of another, looks like Double Standards", denounced the President of EuroLeft Group in CoE's Assembly, Dutch MEP Tiny Cox.  

- "What is the reason ? Politics or specificity of a case ? Of course, if Cyprus and Turkey are involved, it's always a Political case"..

- "Murders of Journalists should always be fully investigated, because killing Journalists is not only killing persons, but also killing Free Press".  "We (CoE's Assembly) should do our outmost to help People who are working on Free Press and they are under threat or murdered".

Because for Free Politics, Free Press is a pre-requisitive : Parliamentarians  cannot  function without a Free Press. Not investigating, is not protecting ourselves".

So we should investigate all Journalists' murders : We are talking about Gongadze, about the Cypriot man (Adali), about the Journalist murdered in Moscow one week ago, etc", Cox concluded

- "CoE can' look at these cases differently. CoE can't wear Blinckers  !".
- "If the one is investigated, so has to be also the other. Why there wasn't full investigation ? Why's that ?", wondered British  Socialist MEP, Alan Meale.

- "A good idea" would be to "make a Motion for Resolution", and "join all Journalists' murders. Adali and Gongadze etc", said to "EuroFora" EU Parliament Political affairs Committee's President, Goran Lindbland, ChristianDemocrat MEP from Sweden.


(See also earlier News at "EuroFora" on similar issues).
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ECHR's Statistics on Freedom of Expression :


    Almost Half of condemnations by ECHR for violations of Freedom of Expression in 2008, concern Turkey : 20 out of a total of 48 for all CoE's Member States.

    Russia, Poland, France and Moldova were condemned only 3 times. Romania, Greece, Portugal, 2 times, and the other CoE Member States only 1 time, or none.
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    During the last Decade : 1998 - 2008, Turkey was condemned for violating Freedom of Expression in ..169 cases, while Austria only in 24.

    France and Moldova in 14 and 13, respectively, closely followed by Russia and Poland with 11 and 10, respectively. The rest of CoE Member States had less than ten condemnations.    
    

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