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Hungary: Victor Orban gets in Popular Referendum More Registered Voters than EU + USA Leaders !

Written by ACM
Sunday, 02 October 2016
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At the Eve of an important forthcoming EU Brussels Summit, the embattled Prime Minister of Hungary, Victor Orban, a ChristianDemocrat/EPP Political Leader who is notoriosuly very Popular in his Country : Hungary, (where he's Won 3 Majority Votes in a Series of National and EU Parliament Elections in a row recently), and often Expresses "Visegrad" Group of Center-Eastern EU Member Countries on "Hot" Topical Issues, managed also Today to Win with More than an Astonishing + 98% an Exceptional Popular Referendum against an "Obligatory" reallocation of Irregular Migrants/Mass Asylum Seekers recently Tresspassing into the EU through Turkey, threatened to be Imposed by some EU Commission Officials even Against a Refusal by the National Parliament of the Country.


His Victory on the Greates Part of Voters being uncontested, the Opposed Minority mainly of the Socialist party and some affiliated NGOs, (including, obviously, those Funded by Controversial Millionaire Soros, as Recent "Wikileaks" revelations denounced), had notoriously Focused on various Attempts to Block that Popular Referendum from regularly Expressing the Hungarian People's Political Will, (See also relevant Concrete Facts noted Infra), mainly by "Boycotting" any Participation.


However, Despite that, and several Controversial Blockade attemps (See some Facts Infra), finaly, a Popular Turnout of reportedly about 43,5%, in which almost ALL Voters Supported Victor Orban's popular Critical stance, (alike that of all "Visegrad" Group EU Member Countries, and of much more, as well as of an Absolute Majority of People in France, Germany, the UK, etc., according a lot of recent Polls+), undeniably Succeeded to get a Big enough Support from the People, which is, in Fact, much Bigger than that of Most Other EU and/or even USA Leaders !


Indeed, by Getting a Positive Boost by almost ALL among 43% of Registed Voters Today, (i.e. More than 98% of +43,5% participants : Comp. Supra), Victor Orban is clearly Supported much More by his People than f.ex. EU Parliament's and/or EU Commission's experienced Presidents, (pârticularly since a 1999-2004 Sharp Fall of Participation in EU Elections, but even those elected Back on 2014 with Only a Smaller Part of the 43,9% participants, resulting in something around Only 29-30% of Registered Voters), and most USA's powerful Presidents, who use to get elected Often with Only a Part of just a 49% or 50% Turnout, (i.e., in Real Practice, something often Less than - 30% of Registered Voters !). And this Contrast is Even Bigger vis a vis US Senate and/or Congress, who notoriously use to have an even Smaller popular Participation at their main, "Mid-Term" Elections, each one among the 2 Big Parties getting, practicaly, a Small Minority of Registered Voters, with a Turnout which Fell Down to Only ... 33 to 37% of Registered Voters, already in 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998, 2002, 2006, and 2010, etc? (according to Official US Federal Government Data available at "Census.Gov", etc), Droping, more Recently, at 2012-2014, to "the Worst Turnout in 72 Years !", as New York Times reported...


Also, in Comparison, the current French President Hollande (Socialist) stays in power for 5 Years with Only a Minority of about 37% of Registered Voters, (i.e. just a 51% Part among 80% Participants, Minus some - 6% of exceptionaly Numerous Spoilt or Null Votes). Even the still Popular German Chancellor Merkel got in her Best ever Result, back on 2013, just about 30% of Registered Voters (i.e. 40% out of a 71% Turnout), needing a bumpy Compromise with the Socialists in order to hold a so-called "Gro-Ko" which used to have just a Minority of sme 46% of Registered Voters, before the Recent Fall of the Socialists, partly followed even by the CDU, in the Latest Polls and/or Regional Elections). As for former British Prime Minister Cameron, (succceeded by Theresa May after a Majority "BREXIT" Referendum on Summer 2016), he Governed alone, since Back on 2015, with Only roughly 26% of Registered Voters, (i.e. Less than 37% out of a Turnout of 66,4%). Similar real Figures are even Lower, in fact, at several Other EU Countries, such as Italy, Spain, Greece, and many more...

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Replying to Journalists' Questions, including "Eurofora", in a Press Conference at the latest EU Heads of State/Government Summit in Bratislava, the Hungarian Prime Minister had mainly Stressed that the Issue at Stake, on which he wished to Give a Chance for the People to Experss their Views, Threatened to adversely Affect and Alter his Country's Historic Cultural "Identity", echoing various Similar Criticismes already Expressed, mutatis-mutandis also by Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico, (an atypical Socialist, and current EU Council's Chairman : Comp. PM. Fico's Reply to a relevant "Eurofora" Question at his Press Conference to June 2016 EU Summit in Brussels, at : ....).

A quasi-Systematic Exclusion of Christian Minorities, from an almost Exclusively islamized Mass of Migrants "Filtered" through Turkey, inevitably Added substance in such Arguments, (to the point that, Contrary to his Initial wish, ...even Pope Francis didN't manage to Find Not even 1 Christian out of 3 Families from Syria that he Brought to Rome from the Greek island of Lesvos, near the Turkish Boders !).

More or less Similar Opinions have been Recently Expressed, on this Same, Controversial matter, about a notoriously Failed EU Commissioner's initial attempt to "ReLocate" by Biinding Measures Imposed to EU Member Countries, a Number of irregular Migrants/Mass Asylum Seekers arriving through Turkey, also by other Top Officials from the Czech Republic, and/or Poland, etc., who have also Added strong "Security" Concerns, particularly after the Recent Long Series of Extremist Islamic Terrorism Brutal Attacks against Innocent Civilian People in France, Germany, the UK, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, etc, (especialy Warsaw, f.ex. after a Horrible Murder of a poor Polish Woman hit with a Machette by a heavily bearded Muslim Migrant from Syria, working at a Turkish Kebbab shop at nearby Reutlingen, which had Obvious links with Islamistic Fundamentalist Networks, See, f.ex., Facts noted at : ......), etc.

Last, but not least, such Issues notoriously played an Important Role also at the Recent "BREXIT" Popular Referendum in Great Britain, (given also UKIP's campaign main Focus, etc), on June 2016.

So that even EU Council President, former Polish Prime Minister, Donald Tusk's recent Official Letter to the 27 EU Heads of State/Government gathered in a Crucial Summit at Bratislava, included at least some approximatively, more or less, similar concerns, warning against the risk to ignore most People's real feelings after the recent events, (See, f.ex., the relevant "Eurofora's NewsReport, with extracts from Tusk's Original text, at : http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/tuskdramaticletterforbratislavaeusummit.html )

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The Fact that, due to a Technicality specific to some particular characteristics of Hungarian Law, usualy a National Referendum should have a Turnout of at least 50% of Registered Voters in order to become Legaly Binding, is obviously Irrelevant, here : Indeed, this mainly Concerns "Legislative" Referenda, which have Nothing to do with the Substance of the Real Issue which is at Stake Now. Moreover, if such a Logic was Equaly Applied Everywhere, then, it's, among Many Others, even ... several US Federal Elections, as well as .. All EU Parliament's Elections since 1999, and the French Presidential Election of 2012, (etc), which should, Logicaly, be also Declared as "UnGutlich" or "Null and Non-Void" !... Last, but not least, the above-mentioned, Important Political Significance of such a Big Percentage of Registered Voters Supporting Victor Orban's clearly declared Stance, (and not only of +98% among the Expressed Votes), which, by far, Bypasses even the Strongest EU Leaders' Popular Support, as we've already seen above, (Comp. Data and concrete, Comparative Percenages' Analysis, presented Supra), certainly canNot be Totaly Ignored by the EU, at least not as a really Democratic Institution, caring for European People's democraticaly and Clearly Expressed Views.


+ Particularly when, in Addition to a Nation-wide "Boycot" of Today's Popular Referendum in Hungary, Socialist and some other Municipalities holding from the Past an area covering almost 33% of the National Population, (and Totaling, combined, almost 3,9 Millions of Potential Voters), reportedly Deprived all Citizens there from any "Government Information", Refusing to publish it at all.


On the Contrary, the "Liberal" Party had called for a "Yes" Vote to the controversial, Obligatory EU Commission reallocation of Irregular Migrants/Mass Asylum Seekers coming through Turkey, even if the National Assembly clearly Refused to obey to that. By a "Coincidence", almost at the Same Time, a 1st level Court even Hindered a Municipality in France to give to its Citizens any Chance to Democraticaly Express their Views by a Popular Referendum on that same issue of the Obligatory Allocation of irregular Mass Migrants to their City, (at a Demand made by the current, Outgoing Socialist Government).


In consequence, Popular Demonstrations were Now in the process of being Organized by the Population of other affected Municipalities throughout France.


This comes just After various Similar Popular Movements also in Both Mainland Greece and in Frontline Islands facing the Turkish Borders, where Smugglers have notoriously re-Activated recently their illegal Traffick, despite a FRONTEX (and even ...NATO !) presence at the Aegean Sea, (where the current Government in Athens still refuses, however, to Stop Turkish Smugglers' Human Traffick from reaching EU's External Borders, provoking repeated Protests also from Many Other European Countries affected by the 2015-2016 Massive Influx through Turkey).


In Comparison, more than 1,5 Million irregular Migrants/Mass Asylum Seekers through Turkey have crossed (EU and Shengen area Member) Greece's and EU's External Borders at the Agean Sea on 2015-2016, while, on the Contrary, in the Recent Past, f.ex. on 2014, the Total Number of "Irregular Migrants" who entered the EU in Greece were "Only" ...77.000, according to the current Government's official figures, (and even Less on 2012-2013).


Significantly, it's Only during some former PASOK (Socialist) Governments, Back on 1995 or 2000 that the Number of "irregular Migrants" tresspassing into the EU at Greece had been, respectively, much Higher : 254.000 and almost 300.000, (that Last, Highest Figure coinciding with EU's notoriously Controversial and UnPopular 1999-2000 attempt to Give Turkey, for the 1st Time in History, a Status of so-called "Candidate to (full) Accession" inside the EU, provoking 3 "No" to Three Popular Referenda on a Draft EU Constitution in France, the Netherlands, and Ireland, between 2005-2007.


That Institutional Deadlock was Partialy Lifted only 5 Years Later, on 2010, when a "Simplified" EU Reform Version was adopted by the "Lisbon Treaty", following former French President Nicolas Sarkozy's crystal-clear Opposal to Turkey's controversial and unpopular EU bid since May 2007, (added to that of German Chancelor Angie Merkel's also Reluctant stance since October 2005 National, and May 2009 European Parliament Elections, while, already, a December 2006 EU Summit in Brussels had at least "Freezed" Many Negotiation Chapters with Turkey, due to Ankara's persisting Refusal to abide by its Obligations vis a vis EU Principles).


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Given All these Crystal-clear Facts, there is no need, Now, to re-play ..."Earth Band"/Manfred Mann's Alternative Rock Song "Angels at my Gate", with which they had the Premonition to Start, as No 1, an Historic Concert precisely at Hungary's Capital, Budapest, already as early as since 1983 (i.e. even Before the Fall of Berlin's Wall), whose Lyrics go almost like this :  


- "Numbers (are) in the Air" : Don't mind if it may be "63, 62, 61, 60", or "59, 58, 57, 56, ..54", etc. What matters is that, in Substance ... -"Good Angels (are) at My Gate !"...

- Or, should we also "Place anoOther bet", Now, "as the Stakes get Higher" ? (that same, by an astonishing Coincidence, almost Premonitory, No 1 Budapest Song went on to ask).

 

=> I.e. perhaps, a fully-fledged, EU-wide, European popular Referendum, giving to all European Citizens a Fair and Crystal-clear Chance to Democraticaly Express their large Majority Views on such and other Topical "Hot" Issues, (as a Topical Question raised, just a few Days ago, at the 1st EU-27 Summit in Bratislava Bratislava, crucial both for EU's immediate Present and foreseable Future ?...


>>> See relevant "Eurofora"s NewsReports from the Bratislava EU Summit, with Replies from EU Parliament President Martin Schulz and Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban to our Question, precisely on that Topical matter, raised as a matter of General Principle, by another Timely Coincidence, just Hours after the World Day for Democracy..., at : http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/victororbanoneuropeanandnationalreferenda.html + .....



- Why not ?


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3 EU Parliament votes to boost EuroGroup !

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After EuroZone Paris Summit's succes, Sarkozy calls to "think anew how to re-construct Europe !

"EuroZone and EU Institutional debates pave the way to 2009 discussions on EU Future, including Enlargment, Turkey etc. ?


23 October 2008

After EU Parliament strongly suppported in 3 successive Votes this week in Strasbourg French EU Chairmanship's move to boost Euro-Group at EU's core, while ideas on EU Institutional problems are awaited on December, "it's an open Question now" if this may lead to a debate on EU's Future, or not, told us French President, Nicolas Sarkozy''s Spokesman, Pierre-Jerome Henin.

MEPs voted on Thursday fresh Funds to support EuroGroup, after adopting on Wednesday a Resolution asking a "further Evolution" to "the 1st ever meeting of Heads of State and of Government of the Euro-Zone, taking decisions in that capacity", while earlier this week a Report asked "a stronger Institutional setting" for "EuroGroup", extended from "competitiveness/industry" to "environment, employment and education", with "increased powers for Political decision-making", according to a text drafted by French MEP Francoise Beres and German MEP Werner Langen, "10 Years after the creation of Euro" (1999 - 2009).

- Brussels' subsequent "EU Council ..(simply)..ratified the measures decided by EuroGroup on October 12" in Paris, which "were necessary to contain the current Financial Crisis", Resolution observes, expressing also support to the new process succesfully initiated by Sarkozy and due to be completed by agreements with USA and other countries at a Global level.

From now on, it's between two differend but parallel moves : EU's delay, and EuroZone's acceleration, that Enlargement and particularly Turkey's controversial EU bid, will have to search its way :

Indeed, EU's 27 expect a "Roadmap on how to deal with the Irish problem" on Lisbon Treaty ratification after December, risking to pass even 2009 Elections and next Commission with the old Nice Treaty of 2000, out-dated and unfit even for 2004's Enlargement...

On the contrary, EU's core launches a real "Economic Governance for EuroZone at the highest level of Heads of State/Government" of the 15, which started in Paris on October 12 and was strongly supported this week in Strasbourg by Sarkozy and EU Parliament.
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- "It's a good idea, to launch such a debate ("on EU's Future") in EU Parliament in view of 2009 Euro-Election : Perhaps some MEPs will seize an opportunity", told us mainstream French MEP Alain Lamassoure, former EU Minister and EU Spokesman for France's governing party UMP.

- "All MEPs' debates on such EU Councils are also part of the larger debate on Europe's future : Now with EuroZone, and even more when, on December, Irish Prime Minister is due to table proposals in Strasbourg on how to deal with EU Treaty's ratification", replied earlier to our question EU Parliament's Press Director and Spokesman, Jaume Duch.
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Sarkozy has formally anounced his intention to open EU Debates on Economy, Identity/Enlargement (i.e. mainly Turkey), etc. both linked to a popular Political view of Europe, since his Historic speeches on EU in Strasbourg, on February and July 2007, when he stressed that "Europe needs a New Renaissance". At the beginning of the French EU Presidency, on July 2008, replying to a MEP, he suggested that EU Parliament takes an active part in Debates on EU's Future.

- Now, in 2008, "Crisis are an opportunity to re-think how to re-construct Europe", Sarkozy stressed. At any case, the Historic 1st EuroZone Summit of Heads of State/Government, which started replying to the Financial crisis,"is a Turning Point : After that, Europe cannot be governed as before, but differently" : People "like a Europe with Strong Will".

- "We must make the System move !", "Europe needs Innovation" and free political debates. EU "Elections are in a few Months", Sarkozy warned.

He invited EU Parliament to fully play its role as "the Democratic Heart of the Europe we want : United, Independent and Voluntarist, because the World needs Europe's voice".

- "It's no more possible for Euro-Zone to continue without an Economic Government" at the Highest Level of Heads of State/Government, who provide "Democratic Legitimity" and can take important decisions, he announced, strongly supported by EU Parliament's Economic Committee which just voted to boost the "Institutional" aspects of "EuroGroup".

Plasticity offered by the current absence of a special Treaty on EuroZone's Institutions "made it easy to adapt the organization of the 1st Summit with imagination, to efficiently meet urgent needs", he observed, on the occasion of Brittish Prime Minister's exceptionnal presence at the greatest part of EuroGroup's Paris Summit.

- "In EuroZone we have the same Bank, the same Money, and, thus, a same duty for Unity" : "By bringing together EuroGroup's 15 members States we suceeded to find a solution and prepare a Giant Plan of 1.800 Billion euros", Sarkozy reminded of Paris' 1st Historic EuroZone's Summit.

Afterwards, Brussels' EU Council followed the move, and USA's Paulson II Plan was inspired from that. "Europe must promote the idea of Global Economy's Refoundation", he stressed.

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- "I was frankly astonished when I found, at the EU, a rigid system, where any New Idea was seen from the outset as a sacrilege, while, on the contrary, Europe needs Innovation !", he described.

F.ex. ,"'When we first spoke about the "Union for the Mediterranean", it was misunderstood as something extraordinary.. When later we had the Russia -Georgia crisis, it seemed against EU's custom to act "in the middle of August", instead of staying a passive spectator ! And when, in front of the Financial ciris, we gathered the 1st EuroZone Summit of the "15", some thought of it as a lese-majesté", he denounced.
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- But, by moving resolutely, "EU obtained the ...withdrawal of Occupation Troops in 2 Months !", reminded Sarkozy, observing that Russia "fulfilled its commitments", in the Georgian crisis, where a "disroportionate reaction" from Moscow followed a "totally inappropriate action" from Tbilisi's troops. "It would be crazy to reply by military means : EU should not become accomplice of another Cold War, imposed by lack of cool heads".. as he said.

In future, "the creation of a common European Economic Area with EU and Russia, would also obtain a raprochment on our Human Rights and Democratic Values", added Sarkozy, in a statement which should logically be applied, a fortiori, to controversial EU "candidate" Turkey..

Particularly when, the same week that EU Parliament voted 2009 EU Funds for Turkey's controversial EU bid, ECHR took a series of judgements condemning Turkey for grave Violations of Human Rights, such as : Torture, death of a political prisoner in unclear circumstances followed by failure to conduct a proper Investigation, "enforced Disappearance" of a youngster aged 17, Killing of a sepherd with Tank Shells, persecuting Journalists for articles on "Missing" People, even a former President of Human Rights' Association, (etc)

- "We (EU) can defend our ideas on respect of Sovereignity and territorial Integrity, on Human Rights and other differences ... without confrontation", Sarkozy stressed, on the occasion of Russian/Georgian conflict, reminding that : "we were only 2 steps from catastroph", when a Peace agreement brokered in Moscow prevented, at the last minute, Russian troops' advance towards Tbilisi.

An EU Parliament Resolution adopted Wednesday in Strasbourg on the occasion of Russia - Georgia conflict, outlines a set of Principle which apply elsewhere too, (particularly when EU Rapporteur for Russia and Turkey is one and same person ; Dutch MEP Ria Oomen-Ruijtanen !)

Clearly rejecting any "military solution to the conflicts", MEPs "condemn ..all those who resorted to force and violence". They denounce a "disproportionate military action", "as well as (an) unilateral decision to recognise the independence" of brekaway regions, "calling.. to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity" of the concerned country, "and the inviolability of its borders recognised by all EU Member States". They warn that "EU must review its policy towards" a 3rd Country, "should .(it)...not comply with its commitments", and "stress that the withdrawal of.... troops from the areas ....is an essential additional step".

EU Parliament "calls for the safe and quick return of refugees, (accepted by Russian President Medvedev) accompanied by the deployment of EU observers on the ground", and "regrets ...that ..EU Monitoring Mission (EUMM) is not allowed to enter the ...breakaway regions". Moreover, "It's important to ensure that persons and NGOs ..engaged in defending human and civil rights can operate". "Until ...all remaining issues (are) resolved..., and notably the continuing ...Military presence", "relations with the EU ..cannot be fully normalised", MEPS warned.

As nobody likes to be accused to practice "Double Standards", this should be regarded as "Principles" applicable to any Third Country at EU's Neighborhood.. No ?

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On Economy :

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- "When Financial crisis shook US and EU's Banks, without result from the 1st (American) Paulsen plan, it was the common reply of the 1st EuroZone's Summit, involving some 1800 Billion euros, which started a positive move in the markets, soon strengthened by the follow-up of the US Paulson 2 Plan, noted Sarkozy.

- "Europe should not be only on the defensive, but, if necessary, know also how to take an offensive", he said, brushing away hesitationsto act on Economy: - "I'm for a refondation of Capitaliism, but against Speculators, who betray its values" : "Lack of Rules was profitable to speculators, Not to businessmen !" We must make sure to prevent any such crisis in future". "We, the rest of the World, cannot continue to bear the deficits of the 1st World power without saying anything !", the French President said, applauded by EU Parliament. All this needs "a New Global Governance", on which EU Parliament must debate. That's why "we proposed together with USA, several Summits from mid-November", to which G-8, enlarged to China, India a.o. countries, should participate. UNO's SG; Ban Ki Moon, the IMF, etc.

Financial crisis lowered shares' prices even for healthy companies, sometimes to 1/3 of their initial price, so that strangers might buy EU industries for only a portion of their real value, and Europeans may wake up one day with their main industries sold out to foreigners !

That's one of the reasons for which EU should debate about creating "Golden Shares" for States to jointly take Strategic participations to help European Industries until the end of the Crisis, particularly against distording competition, he suggested, pointing at USA's 35 billion $ plan for American Car Industry."We shall struggle for Europe to be able to build Airplanes, Ships, Trains, Cars, because we need a strong Industry", he concluded.

"F.ex. as we did back in 2004, when as Finance Minister, we bought Alsthom's shares for 800.000 euros, and, after restructuring, we sold them for 2 Millions : Help a company and make money is not so bad"...

As for the UK, "when Ireland announced that it would guarantee only Irish Banks, London City emptied from liquidities in 24 hours : It's the EU which helped to restore the situation, Not the UK alone !", reminded Sarkozy to nationalist British MEP Nigel Farage.

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On the contrary, in a last-minute attempt for the EU to catch-up with its Institutional delay "before the European Elections" of June 2009, MEPs simply voted a call for a "set of proposals" to be made for the "Irish public opinion" at the end of the year...

- "As long as Lisbon Treaty is not ratified by all 27 EU Member States, there is an unanimous decision to stop Enlargement, reminded Wednesday in Strasbourg the French Minister for EU affairs, Jean-Pierre Jouyet..

Added to an indirect but clear warning that, without Lisbon Treaty, all 27 EU Member Countries may not have a Commissioner in the 2009 resuffle, MEPS in the Constitutional/Foreign affairs Committees applauded hoping that this might motivate their Irish friends..

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