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1st Global Space Community's debate on Obama's NASA 2011 Budget Cuts+Changes at ISU's 2010 Symposium

Written by ACM
Wednesday, 17 February 2010

The initial ISU's 2010 Symposium's aim -how to make People and politicians aware of the immense potential that a wide spectrum of Space-related activities have for manifold useful Scientific breakthroughs and the development of High Tech. innovations affecting everyday life, Economy, Society and Mankind's Future- was overshadowed by a more immediate concern of the World-wide Space Community :

 - How to advance forward now, after the drastic, unprecedented NASA 2011 Budget Cuts and Policy Changes  decided by new US President Obama earlier this month, in parallel with Augmentation of Funds to certain areas linked to some International Cooperation  prospects ?


A 1st occasion for the Worldwide Space Community to start discussing huge Policy shifts after the latest Developments, was, indeed, given at the always interesting International Space University's  Annual Strasbourg's gathering of Space Experts and Scientists, Policy-makers, Industry Executives, Government Officials, Communication and Press Directors, etc., which succeeded to attract an exceptionally wide, numerous and diverse public, including many Young MA, MBA or PHD Students (several of them already professional executif officers) from all over the World, focusing this time on Outreach activities under the original title : "The Public Face of Space".

Press Reports and various Experts' Questions and Replies were inevitably "deviated" from their formal, particular courses and attracted by the "gravitational force" of interrogations naturally focusing on what USA's new President policy shifts really mean for the rest of the World, (i.e. UE, Russia, China, Japan, India, and various other Small and Medium Space Actors of a recently growing number, as fex. Austria's plan to launch in 2011 its 1st Satellite towards the Stars symbolize), and what could and should be done from now on.
 - The 1st Man in the Moon (i.e. US Apollo mission, after Russian Gagarin's 1st Man to Fly in Space), and  Shuttle "Discovery"'s dramatic crash, were reportedly voted among the most important Events which marked People's Memory during 50 Years of Space History, as it was revealed at ISU's 2010 Symposium.


Both, obviously, point at Human Space Flight, as the most Popular vector of Space policies Worldwide, and a strong Political Driving force. From the recent example of Korean Astronaut Yi, to China's growing ambitions, and EU's aspirations, many recent facts seem to indicate that.

But, paradoxically, Obama's 2011 NASA Budget resticts Space Exploration, scraps old and new Space Vehicles' programs by NASA, reduces or keeps stable Stars and Planets' Science and Education, even some Environment projects...

On the contrary, Obama's 2011 NASA Budget Strategy seems to focus mainly on Earth Science and Monitoring, (including on Security and Climate), on extending ISS' orbital life, and on related massive "Technology" projects.

What impact could have this New Strategy Worldwide ? Will it stimulate Europe and other New and old Space actors' wish to give a boost to Human Space Flight and related Science/Technology, or might it dissuade that ? Has International Cooperation become today much more necessary than Obama's offers for more Technology "Tests" on the ISS indicates, (f.ex. in order to share also at least part of the costs for the necessary innovations needed to efficiently prepare new Human Space Flights and exploration) ?
 Solving the Space Vehicle enigma :  - New Propulsion  ?


    Among the first topical issues touched by various participants' Questions was inevitably Obama's drastic decision to cut NASA's efforts to prepare itself a new re-usable Space Vehicle, successor to the Shuttle (which will be ended in 1 year or so), scraping the "Orion" Crew Exploration project and the ARES 1 and 5 Rockets, (in the apparent expectation that something else might emerge from the Private, Commercial sector soon enough).

    This is a very important issue Worldwide, because, as Alphonso Diaz, f. NASA Goddard Center Director, had already stressed to "EuroFora" , at an earlier ISU gathering in Strasbourg, "the main issue of this Decade will be Space Transport, and how to invent a new Space Vehicle", after the Shuttle, Soyuz, Ariadne, etc.

    Experienced Professor Michael Rycroft, (Cambridge), Secretary General of the European GeoPhysical Society, NASA Ames Research Center associate, speaking now to "EuroFora", stressed that what is lacking today on Space re-usable Vehicles is "New Propulsion" scientific breakthroughs and innovative technologies, in order to "invent new ways, going beyond the current Chemical" combustion methods.


    Moscow Space Research Institute's Director, Academician Lev Zelenyi, said to "EuroFora" that Russian research on the matter has now advanced further than the recent "Kliper" project, (that ESA had examined for a possible cooperation since 2005/2006, after NASA's reluctance to share with Europe the preparation of the future Space Vehicle), particularly "on Nuclear propulsion", etc. "But", at least for the time being, this new technology  "seems more adapted to Robotic missions than to Human Space Flight", i.e. leaving the main question open.

     - "Let's give Obama some more time, and wait to see what happens, before judging", advised in reply to questions on 2011 Budget cuts, Alan Ladwig, NASA's Public Outreach Administrator associate. Asked later by "EuroFora" to explain what did he really expect  to  happen, NASA's Official told us that initiatives or projects from Private Industry may probably emerge, sooner or later.

     - "NASA's role is to help address Technical challenges, and, then, to take it out, so that it becomes a Commercial or Industrial product", observed, meanwhile, NASA Marshall Flight Center's Director of Engineering, Daniel Dumpacher, in reply to similar questions by other participants.

    F.ex. recent Press Reports spotted anew the case of  MIT Expert, former Astronaut Franklin Chang-Diaz, founder of Ad Astra Rocket company, who reportedly develops "a New Propulsion System", that, as he claims, "could go to Mars in only Half the Time" currently needed, sparing Astronauts from long exposure to Cosmic Rays and non-Gravity's effects to muscles and bones. Chang-Diaz's idea is based on a Magnetic Plasma impulsion motor named "Vasmir", coupled to a Nuclear Reactor (to provide Electric Energy), for a "VX-200" Space Vehicle, whose "light" version might also simplify sub-orbital transport to and from the ISS.

    Obama's forecasts reportedly aim at a 2012 increase in NASA's Budget for "Commercial Crew" from 500 millions $ up to 1,4 Billion $. Already $ 20 Million were recently allocated fex. to Sierra Nevada's Corp. Sparks, for a lifting-body Vehicle called "Dream Chaser".


    It's in this context that ISU proudly exhibited this week in Strasbourg a succesful early precursor to Space Vehicles, recently renamed "Excalibur - Almaz" : A former Russian Reuse Return Vehicle (RRV) which reportedly flew to Low Earth Orbit 2 times, since 1977 and 1978, and was further tested for Sea Landing from 1980-1982, that a new Company, currently headquartered at the Isle of Man, plans to renovate and launch anew.

    The European Space Agency ESA's perspectives in this area were considerably strengthened by the recent entry into force of EU's Lisbon Treaty which explicitly provides, for the 1st time, an EU competence on "Space" activities. And, meanwhile, after the 2008-2009 succesful launches of "Columbo" Space Research Laboratory, and of the "ATV" (Automatic Transport Vehicle"). ESA was already in the process of preparing a renovated, "Advanced Re-Entry Vehicle" (ARD), able to carry to and from the ISS a much bigger cargo (fex. "Hundreds of Kgs of cargo and .. Experiments"), while still eyeing "a Crew Transportation System", after "preliminary Testing .. of several Automated Flights", fex. via "the ISS", as a "possible future development", according to its official data, (which don't seem yet to have been really updtated according to recent developments)..


    EU Commission's vice-President, in charge of Transports previously, and now of Industry, Antonio Tajani from Italy, replied positively to "EuroFora"'s question, recently in Strasbourg, if he thought that "Europe would ensure an Autonomous Access to Space  during the forthcoming years" : - "In my view, Yes.. I think that we (EU) are pretty able to make it. Europe must have its own Space Policy, according to Lisbon Treaty... I think that Europe will be a Protagonist... if we'll (EU) have the Political Will.. ("This).. is a pretty great Challenge, that Europe must win. I am committed to succeed on that", Tajani replied to "EuroFora"'s question, citting also as other concrete examples GALILEO, GMES, etc. (See earlier "EuroFora'"s Publication : http://www.eurofora.net/newsflashes/news/tajaniindustrygalileo.html ).

    - Today, "EU needs an ambitious Space" policy also "as a Symbol of EU's Identity", (i.e. in order to develop a strong Political Europe), in addition to all the other concrete advantages in enhancing its Economy, Science, Technology, Competitivity, Education, Environment, etc, stressed at ISU's 2010 Symposium ESA's Head of Communication and Knowledge department, Fernando Doblas.

    An obvious motive behind the recent joint anouncement by French President Sarkozy and German Chancellor Merkel of a common will to resolutely develop EU's Access to Space as one of the most important points of the Franco-German 2020 Agenda for a Political Europe, (See relevant "EuroFora"'s NewsReports from Paris)...
Human SpaceFlight : The strongest in People's collective Memory ?



    A related NASA 2011 Budget cut, decided at the same time by new US President Obama, concerns the Space "Exploration" programs, where Moon a.o. "Constellation" project is closed, (spending 1,9 billion for its "closeout" next year), while the total Funds allocated to all other particular domains (fex. "Heavy Lift and Propulsion Technology", "Robotic precursor", "Technologic demonstration", "Human Research", etc.) drop down with nearly - 1,5 Billion $ less (from 3,8 Billion $ in 2010, to only 2,3 Billion $ in 2011, plus the "Constellation closeout" cost, estimated 1,9 Billion $).

     In parallel, the Funds for "Science" on Stars/Galaxies etc. ("AstroPhysics"), and on the Sun ("HelioPhysics") diminish or stagnate, and this almost goes also for the "Planets" who stay on their previous, slow growth course  - with the only exception of "Earth" Science (i.e. mainly "Monitoring" for climate and Security), which is alone to grow significantly ..

    These are obvious consequences of a recent Critical Review of previously decided Human Space Flight programs by Experts ordered by new US President Obama.

    But, meanwhile, the interest of International and particularly European Academic community for Human Space Flight, seems, on the contrary, growing :

    F. ex.  ISU itself just started  in Strasbourg a new M.Sc. Program specialized in "Human Space Flight" from 2010-2011.

    And the choice anounced this week by ISU's President Michael Simpson (USA) for Next year (2011) ISU's Summer Session (a 2,5 Months-long itinerating gathering with many events), after China in 2007,  Spain in 2008, and California (USA) in 2009, was now in favor of Austria's Graz, already famous from the 2005 "Humans in Space" Symposium organized by the International Astronaut Academy, (the latest being on 2009 in Moscow, Russia).

    In Graz is also concentrated Austria's Space Research and Technology, while 2011 coincides with the Anniversary of Graz University and with the launch of Austria's 1st Satellite, destinated to "look at the Stars" (i.e. for Astrophysical Science), said to "EuroFora" Michaela Gitch, Education and Research promotion Officer from the Aeronautics and Space Agency FFG.


    Meanwhile, this Summer's (2010) ISU's Space Studies, which, after many years of a Worldwide itineration, (fex. Adelaide - Australia, Vancouver - Canada, Beijing - China, Barcelone - Spain, California - USA, etc), will be organized in Strasbourg (France) from  June 26 to August 28, directed by Professor Angie Bukley (USA), will include a High profile, exceptional Public Event focusing on a large gathering of Astronauts from Europe and all over the World, as ISU's Dean, Prof. Peeters anounced to "EuroFora".


    Already, famous Young Woman Astronaut Soyeon Yi, from Korea, (the country of UNO's new Secretary General Ban Ki Moon), currently a Senior Research Officer at the Korean Space Research Center (KARI), who participated at ISU's Symposium, confirmed to "EuroFora" that she will be glad to be present this Summer in Strasbourg.

    This exceptional ISU event coincides with the National Day of France (14 of July),  who has chosen one of the most famous among its Astronauts,  Claudie Haigneré, well-known in Strasbourg as former Minister for EU affairs, after serving as Minister for Research, in order to become new Director of the prestigious Paris' "Cité des Sciences" and "Palais de la Decouverte", destinated to make Science popular.


    Meanwhile, the forthcoming EU Chair (July-December 2010) : Belgium,  "is the No 1 Country for the number of Astronauts (5) compared to its Population", and this makes "Space", (which is also "a very good vector for Science") "very Popular in Belgium", observed the experienced ISU's Dean Dr. Walter Peeters.

    So, it's naturally speaking about the "Educational potential of Lunar programs",  that the experienced James D. Burke, of the Planetary Society, a long-time friend of famous Science Fiction writer and visionary Arthur Clarke, continued to focus on his well-known dream of Man's inhabited new missions "to the Moon", (both as a vector towards other Planets : Mars, etc., and as a useful natural resource for Earth's population's needs), at ISU's 2010 Symposium.

    Burke's demonstration was exceptionaly reinforced this time also by Young Experts from Israel (Yonatan Winetraub, of Israeli NanoSatellite Association, with his "CubeSat", etc.) , and even the 1st Astronaut from Korea, Soyeon Yi (See supra) :


     The famous Young Korean Woman Astronaut presented at ISU a specific Space program related to the "preparation for Future Lunar missions", with the participation of not only China, Japan, ESA, NASA, Russia, etc., but also of UNO's Agencies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Videos about Space Rockets  and Human Space Flight can even impress socially "difficult" Pupils (f.ex. from seasonal Agricultural hard-working families, mainly English-learning immigrants) and motivate them in advancing at their general School curriculum,  as it was artfully described at ISU's Symposium by a motivated couple of Young Teachers working at Texas (USA), close to the Mexican border..   


 While Northrop Grumman's  Senior Officer Tom Vice, using crystal-clear video evidence, convinced the audience about the vivid impression Space can make on Teachers, but also Journalists, etc.  when they are invited to personaly experience Micro-Gravity or Zero-Gravity phenomena by floating themselves at a weightless ambiance in sub-orbital "Discovery Flight"...

    "EuroFora" asked Burke and other lecturers, who had spoken about "Moon", "Rockets", "Astronauts", etc., while Global Financial Crisis incites Governments to try to make Economies, reducing and/or concentrating Funds, (as. fex. that of new US President Obama on NASA's 2011 Budget : See facts supra), if he thought that such "hard" periods could also be "the Right Time" for more International Cooperation.

    Burke's answer to "EuroFora" was mainly to agree that, in general, "one of the ways" to "Spread Costs" of Space programs (as fex. those concerned by Human Space Flight, etc.) is to share them in International Cooperation, as well as "partly in the Future", i.e. over longer periods of Time, and that might eventually affect several Countries.

    Moscow's Space Research Institute's Director, professor and Academician Lev Zelenyi, replying to "EuroFora"s question, also stressed the "experience" already existing for "Cooperation" at the Russian Academy of Sciences' prestigious body specialized in Space, and cited, as a currently on-going example, also a Space "Weather" effects monitoring Satellite, initially prepared for Balkan Countries, but with which have already started to cooperate various interested Countries, not only Bulgaria but also Ukraine, Poland, etc., while similar intentions were expressed even by Latin American Countries, such as Argentina, Brazil, etc.

    However, as most Government's concerns today are generally focused on how to "generate Jobs", they should also take into account the fact that "if" certain Space-related  programs are implemented, (as those proposed by USA's Burke and his friend Experts from Israel, Korea, etc. in relation to "Lunar" projects, from Education to Economy, Technology, etc), they are able to create many new and qualified Jobs, Burke pointed out.

    But, even the experienced Burke surprisingly had an exceptional lapsus when he spoke about Obama's 2011 NASA Budget : - Regardless of the rest, at least in the specific domain on which we are speaking now : Education, the new NASA Budget is increasing", he thought... The reality, is, unfortunately, at the opposite : The 2011 NASA Budget marks a drop of almost -40 Millions $ ..less on Education than the previous year's Budget, (i.e. down to only 145 million $ for 2011, instead of 183 back on 2010)..     


    Such facts, obviously give an even greater interest in Proposals similar to that, made at ISU 2010 Symposium's Poster session in Strasbourg by Professor Zelenyi, to "begin preparations for Space Exploration by manned missions" by founding an "International Space Educational" Centre (ISEC) or network, dedicated to  "Costly Projects (which) can be organized only on the assumption of International Cooperation", as "new manned expeditions to the Moon and the 1st manned missions to Mars".

    The proposed ISEC's "prestige" should attract "the Best Scientists, Engineers and Experts", but be "relatively non-expensive", "supported" also  by non-commercial organizations, working "in close Cooperation with Professionals .. involved in preparation of Manned Flights to the Moon and Mars", suggested the Director of Russia's Space Research Center.

    Because, "on-going developments of Space Science demonstrate that new manned expeditions to the Moon and the first manned mission to Mars are not far off"", and "it's evident that the majority of future Participants of such Space Expeditsions have already been born", and should be "better prepared to a great Challenge that Mankind will meet in the 21st Century", as Zelenyi observed. F.ex., "current vital issues, such as the development of reliable and low-cost Life-support equipments, New means of .. soft-Landing systems, the Design of Inter-Planetary SpaceShips and their Launch Vehicles, elaboration of Control devices in Distant Space", etc., can become the topics of ISEC students' research or graduation works and Doctoral thesis".

    But, perhaps, the most important is the fact that for People's Memory, Human Space Flight is the most spectacular Dream, and a powerful Symbol, as fex. the No 1 popularity of Man's conquest of the Moon, etc. still prove, 50 years later (See supra)..  
    If USA and Russia already had a chance to use such Symbols in a well known Past, stimulating an "American Dream" and/or a "Russian Star", etc, on the contrary, the EU, today, obviously still has to accomplish similar achievements, and this is particularly clear for all those who really want to develop "a Political Europe", which still needs to forge and share its "European Dream"..

Similar observations could be made, mutatis-mutandis, for China, but also India, Japan, Australia, South Africa, Latin America, and several other Countries or areas.

"Nobel Peace Prize for the International Space Station" ?..


    It's may be here, (i.e. on sharing Costs of Space programs by spreading them to a World-wide Cooperation) that new US President Barack Obama's recent decision to complete and keep in shape longer than initially scheduled the International Space Station might,= (at least partially  and in another domain) add an interesting parameter.

    Already welcomed, reportedly, by ESA's Director-General, Jean-Jacques Dordain, and by Russia's RosKosmos Space Agency, the 2011 Budget augmentation for ISS, anounced by NASA's new head Administrator Bolden, is about + 450 Million $ more for ISS,  added to nearly +300 Million $ more for "Flight Support", compared to 2010.

    This might be a good move for International Cooperation in some domains, particularly if EU's wish to give NASA's ISS a more real "International" character, among others, by enlarging it f.ex. also to India, China, S. Korea, etc., is met by the US Authorities.

    Because the number of Global Space Players is, indeed, growing, as shows f.ex.  EU's 2010 decision to allocate GALILEO Satellite Navigation System's contracts for delivery in 2013, while Russia's GLONASS "is due to become Global on June" 2010, as ISU's Professor Tolyarenko confirmed  to "EuroFora", and USA already started to prepare a new, more performant generation of "GPS 3", (etc).

    ISS-related prospects made NASA's Public Outreach deputy Administrator, Alan Ladwig, suggest, at ISU's 2010 Symposium in Strasbourg, (Headquarters of the CoE, whose new Secretary General, Thornbjorn Jagland from Norway, is also the current President of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee, which recently honored new US President Obama : See fex. Jagland's statements to "EuroFora" shortly after that decision), smiling, that, in fact, people should seriously examine a possibility to eventually give a new "Nobel Peace Prize" to the International Space Station itself...

    But, the obvious big Question is : - "What for ?"  I.e. what could be the main real  mission for the Massive "come and go" around the ISS unexpectedly scheduled for the next  few Years by Obama's 2011 NASA Budget ?

    "Earth Science" is the only Scientific area wich gets some trangible augmenation in NASA's 2011 Budget (+ 380 Million $ more, compared to 2010). And "Space Technology" seems to augment for + 400M $ more than it had before, (while "Aeronautics Research", on the contrary, remains practically stagnant).

    Added also to other converging indications, all this appears to boil down towards a more "Earth-focused" Strategy, with more Earth Observation, Biology, Materials, "Greener" AeroSpace activities, Environment and Climate change, etc.   

Considering the large importance that EU's current "GMES" program ("Global Monitoring for Environment and Security" : headquarted in Italy, Rome, at ESRIN) takes, (fex. See EU Commissioner Tajani's replies to "EuroFora"'s questions, in earlier 2010 Publication), this seems to facilitate eventual coopeation in Earth Observation and/or Environment/Climate issues, added to extended Experiments on Biology, Health, new Materials, etc.    

Thus, fex., Space Consultant Axel Bergman, who works closely with the Pharmaceutical Industry in France but cooperates also with the European Austronaut Centre at nearby Cologne (Germany), told "EuroFora" and other ISU 2010 Symposium participants that, even if he hasn't got yet concrete Numbers, he really has "a god-feeling that BioMedical Tests' importance is gonna grow at the ISS", (also transported by EU's ATV to Columbus' Labo on payment by American, European or other Countries' companies).  

 While, at another area, ESA could reportedly be ready to decide continuing a common EU - USA Ocean altimetry Satellite with "Jason 3", which might be launched on 2014, to keep contributing Data for GMES.

    However, Environment, despite appearances at first sight, might not really be the main issue in the forthcoming years, other Facts indicate :

    F.ex. NASA's 2011 Budget for "Environmental compliance and restoration" drops down with - 50 Million $ less, (from 448 to 397). And the new US Administration reportedly cancelled this month a "Weather Satellite program" initially scheduled with the participation of Nothrop Grumman ("NPOESS" for "Polar operational Environmental Satellite system").

    So, the apparent Logic behind hard economies on  Space "Exploration" (affecting also related "Science" and "Education" : See Facts supra), contrary to a greater Orbital focus Earthwards, coupled with "Technology", (See also supra), could be a Strategy shift towards Massive "Tests" on Biology, Climate, Materials, etc., as well as Security issues.

This might obviously go on at least as long as ISS's life is artificially extended more than initially scheduled.

But, what's next at the Horizon ?

(NDLR : The text naturally remplaces initial Data earlier send to "EuroFora"'s Subscribers/Donors. Please check for changes).


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The official presentation of a "Program" respecting People's choices voted in the June 7, 2009 EU Elections, to be debated in EU Council and EU Parliament during its 1st Session on July in Strasbourg, is the No 1 Priority, according to Democratic principles, for the Franco-German axis, said the main winners at the ballot box, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angie Merkel.

They stressed  that the New EU Commission's President must have a "Program" in favor of an EU which "protects" its Citizens, regulates financial markets and aims at a "Political" Europe" : a wording they have used as incompatible with Turkey's controversial EU bid.

They also declared ready for a "political" endorsment of "Mr. Barroso's candidacy" in June's EU Council, considering that an official decision would have to be made after EU Parliament's debates and votes, possibly from next month (July), with the legally necessary final acceptance shortly after Lisbon Treaty's entry into force, hoped for September or October.

- "A Program, and Mr. Barroso" : This resumes, in substance, the anouncements made by Sarkozy and Merkel, on the question of current EU Commission's President, Barroso's declared wish to succeed to himself for a second mandate, to be extended during the following 5 years.

 In their 1st meeting after EU Elections, they observed that "the Franco-German axis counted in European Elections' campaign... But, we both keep a realistic view : We saw the number of those who abstained, and we must absolutely give them an answer. We also see the disilusionment of an important number of Europeans vis a vis Europe, and we are aware of the responsibilities we have".


 - The "Duty" of the new EU Commission's President, after June 7, 2009 EU Elections' result, "is to act for a Europe which protects the Europeans, to commit himself into working for a better Regulation of Financial transactions, ... and to have a Political will for Europe", underlined Sarkozy.

Therefore, "we have asked M. Barroso... to clarify, to officialy present the intentions he has", he anounced.

- "We want to speak also about the Programme", explained Merkel.

- "It's important that for the next EU Parliament's mandate (2009-2014) we take the right Decisions for Europe.  Obviously on Persons, but mainly Decisions on Issues", she stressed.

- "It's not simply a question of a Person, it's also a question of a Programme". We are "really asking Mr. Barroso to commit himself on a Program, and on Principles, on Values", Sarkozy added.

EU President-in-office, Czech Prime Minister Jan Fischer, accepted the Franco-German stance :

- "Barroso must present his Programme. The Czech Presidency agrees with that", Fischer reportedly said later, after meeting Sarkozy.

But Press reports from Brussels claimed that Barroso had preferred to be officially appointed by EU Council since June, (i.e. next week), "because this was implied by the current Treaty of Nice, according to him", and considered any delay until the possible ratification of the new, Lisbon Treaty on September/October, as "undemocratic".

- "At any case, independently of what Germany and France ask, it's also EU Parliament's wish". "We shall propose Mr Barroso's candidacy... But even in the framework of Nice Treaty, EU Parliament has to be associated in this Decision", the French President observed.

If this is correctly done, then "we support Mr. Barroso's candidature", and "if the (EU) Parliament agrees, we might ratify this decision since July", (i.e. next month), they both said.


- "France and Germany support Baroso's candidacy, But we want to speak also on the Program. We believe that this Program should be established in close cooperation with EU Parliament, and that's why we have followed an appropriate way", said Merkel.  - If EU Parliament wants, this election can take place on July,  but this must be done in full agreement.

- "We shall support Mr. Barroso's candidacy, without doubt", said Sarkozy. "But we have asked from Mr. Barroso, as I told him yesterday, to put into detail.. his intentions, at the eve of his 2nd mandate, if the situation avails itself.

    France and Germany "don't want to take an Official Legal Decision by writting" during "the next (EU) Council" (on June 18-19), declared Sarkozy.  Because they prefer, at this stage, only "a Political decision" on June, "so that we (EU Council) can work together with EU Parliament", which starts to meet only Next Month, since July in Srasbourg, "leaving a Legal decision by writting for later".

    - "If the Conditions are fuillfiled in EU Parliament, we (EU Council) are ready to give the agreement and make it offficial", said Merkel

    - "But, now we are working in the base of Nice Treaty. If tommorow we want to work in the spirit of Lisbon Treaty, we have to find a proper way", she added.

    - "Of course it's Legally complicated, because we are going to make a Political proposal to the forthcoming Council, for an EU Commission's President, on the basis of Nice Treaty : So, we (EU Council) will not appoint the Commissioners. Only the President.  If EU Parliament agrees, it could endorse this position on July", explained Sarkozy.

    But, on Autumn, "if Ireland ratifies Lisbon Treaty, there will be, at any case, a 2nd Decision, to appoint the Commission's President, this time on the basis of Lisbon treaty, and then, we, the EU Member States, would have to appoint (also) the EU Commissioners", he added.

    As for the precise Timing :  - "Everything is suspended until the Irish vote... Now, we must all make everything possible to help Ireland to say "Yes"" to Lisbon Treaty... The Irish Referendum, ..will take place either on September or on October. It's a Question which depends on the Irish. And,  then, we shall have the Choice of the Candidates for the permanent Institutions of Europe".

    However, "if Ireland says No, we, French and Germans, have to assume our responsibilities, and we'll do so", he concluded.

    But British and Swedish governments were reportedly eager to have a final EU Council decision on Barroso since this month, on June's European Council. While the other EU Member Countries are divided, several of them preferring to wait until EU Parliament pronounces itself, on July, and/or until Lisbon Treaty might be ratified by Ireland at the beginning of the Autumn. Barroso's current mandate ends on November.

    There are also various, contradictory and/or unpredictable reactions inside EU Parliament vis a vis Barroso's wish to continue a 2nd mandate, because many MEPs are openly or secretly opposed, reluctant, or hesitating.

    In the biggest EU Countries, as France and Germany, EU Citizens voted on June 2009 EU Elections for a renovated, non-technocratic but Political Europe which cares for its Citizens, with an Identity, Values and Borders, declared incompatible with Turkey's controversial EU bid, by mainstream, pro-European Governing Parties. Similar choices were also supported in several other small or medium EU Countries.

    On the contrary, whenever, in other Countries, Governing and other mainstream Parties didn't make these choices or eluded them, EU Citizens massively voted for euro-Sceptics whenever they were the only ones to to promise anti-bureacratic change and oppose Turkey's demand to enter into the EU, (f.ex. in the UK, Netherlands, etc).

    It's seems to be an Open Question whether Sarkozy and Merkel's conditions will be really accepted by Barroso, who was appointed on 2004 in a different political context, (with Socialist Prime Ministers in Germany, France, etc), had rejected in the Past the idea of EU becoming "equal to the USA" as "ridiculous", and pushed for Turkey's contoversial EU bid, trying to "soften" or contain the changes desired by the People who voted for Merkel and Sarkozy with another policy vis a vis Turkey on 2005 in Germany and on 2007 in France, as they did all over Europe on 2009.

    In addition to many EPP Governments, it's 3 remaining Socialist Prime Ministers : Gordon Brown in the UK, Zapatero in Spain, and Socrates in Prortugal, who support Barroso, as well as Liberal Swedish Prime Minister Reinfeldt. But their Parties lost the June 2009 EU Elections.

    Questioned whether there was still "Time" for "other" possible "Candidates", Sarkozy and Merkel did not deny, nor made any comment on that, but simply said that "it's not for us to make publicity for any candidates. We anounced our choice ("A Program, and Mr. Barroso"). But we respect any other candidate".

    Among various other names cited are former Belgian Prime Minister Verhofstadt, former UNO's Human Rights Commissioner Mary Robinson of Ireland, Italian former EU Commission's vice-President Monti, etc. Meanwhile, Luxembourg's PM Juncker, (who had been unanimously accepted by EU Council for EU Commission's Presidency on 2004, but refused), announced his intention to resign from "EuroGroup"'s Chair. Thus, he might be available for another Top EU job.

    As "EuroFora"'s "opinion" said (See publication dated 9/6/09) : - "If the current candidates (i.e. Barroso, etc) to the Top EU jobs promise and guarantee to respect People's democratic choices, then, it's OK".

"Otherwise, Europe must find new candidates, really motivated and able to implement these democratic choices of the People."

    Because, "in Democracy, the forthcoming choices for EU's Top Jobs,...should be made according to EU Citizens' Votes in June 7, 2009 European Elections, and main EU Governments' strategic policies".



2009 EU Elections were won by Parties against Technocracy and Turkey's controversial EU bid, while the 1999-2004 Majority Abstention trend decelerated. What should be done in 2009-2014 ?


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