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Green Group Head Lamberts to EF: Ban Heritable Genetic Manipulation. But Lesbians Artificial Births?

Written by ACM
mardi, 17 septembre 2019

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*Strasbourg/EU Parliament/Angelo Marcopolo/- Co-President of the "Green" Group of MEPs in EU Parliament, Belgian Philippe Lamberts, speaking to "Eurofora", Joined those who Call for a Global "Ban" of controversial and dangerous Heritable Genetic Manipulations of Human Beings, which have notoriously Become Possible in real practice since November 2018, (See: ..., etc), But Faced a Problem on how to be Sure to Apply that on imminent Artificial Births for Lesbians, planned to Start in France, etc. soon, for the 1st Time in History.

- "Yes" to a Global Ban on Heritable Genetic Manipulations on Humans, which are irreversibly Transmissible to Future Generations, Because we must Respect "the Precautionary Principle", Replied President Lamperts to a relevant "Eurofora"s Question, which Highlighted the Various Risks of such controversial methods, (including the eventual Fabrication of Atrocious "Chimeras", of Real New "Races", etc).

- But, almost at the Same Time, Lamberts, curiously, had Nothing to Say, Looking Surprized and Embarassed, when the subsequent Question was raised on How to Apply that, in real Practice,, if Current Attempts were Allowed to Legalize, for the 1st Time in History, Artificial Births for Lesbians, (which may affect several Thousands of People each year), as, f.ex., some notoriously Push to impose asap in France, etc...

On this other Topical Issue in Nowadays Bio Ethics, he did Not Have, indeed, Any Reply to Give to the Question : -"How could we be Sure to Prevent the eventual Abuse of such Controversial and Dangerous Techniques, on several Thousands of Artificial Births for Lesbians in France etc., each year, expected to be allowed asap ?

Indeed, while Not Contesting at all the Fact that, in such a case, it would be Practically Impossible (or Too Difficult in real practice) to Ensure that Lesbians do not "become the 1st Victims" of sly, UnDetected Attemps to "Test" such New Genetic Technologies, since they would Systematicaly Pass Through Artificial Methods of Procreation, (as "Eurofora" observed), nevertheless, Lamberts, suddenly found himself unable to articulate a full and coherent response to such a real Challenge... Should, perhaps, People and Society be condemned to Face the Risks of some Too Hasty PreElectoral Promises to shady Lobbies ?

It's a pity that an unrelated interference by a staffer for anOther Issue, had Hindered "Eurofora" to arrive well Before Lamberts' Press Conference Time ends, so that we were Obliged to Speak to him only some Minutes Afterwards : Indeed, right in Front of the TV Cameras, it wouldn't be so Easy to totaly Skip that Crucial 2nd Part of our Questions...

 

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They voted to "freeze" UK Government's draft to put People in jail for 42 Days on "anti-terrorist" suspicion without charge, or they abstained. Don't they look suspect ?
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CoE's debate on UK controversy stirs PanEuropean check of anti-terror suspects' imprisonment

Former Leftists of the Sixties would boil in hot water if they heard PACE's debate on the controversial 42 days detention without charge, currently drafted by the British Government :

A "Socialist" Government, a Socialist PACE Rapporteur and a Socialist Chair of PACE's Legal Committee, opposed a .. "Conservative" amendment (supported by .. Liberals, Democrats, etc), to freeze the measure, in order to protect Citizens' Freedom, by "waiting" until CoE's Venice Committee checks its conformity with Human Rights' principles.

"Left"'s support to Conservative-Lib.Dem's criticism, wasn't enough to obtain a majority, nor to make things as they were back in the good old days, when "Left" and "Right" had a clear meaning, as "liberty" and "restrictions"...

Conservatives and most Democrats were joined by the Left in voting for the "freeze", as well as Liberal Paul Rowen, while Socialist MEP Ivan Popescu, an experienced MEP from Ukraine (PACE Member since 1996-2008) abstained. But most Socialists, added to a few Liberals and EPP's Right, voted against.

Fortunately, someone inside PACE had the wise idea to shorten the Debate for less than 1 Hour, and put it on the Agenda only at the end of an exceptionally busy day, towards the end of the Evening, when most MEPs had already gone to taste wins and foods at various Receptions all around Strasbourg's "European" area : As a result, not even 42 MEPs weren't present..

Socialist Lord Tomlinson accused the leaders of the PanEuropean Assembly, in its highest body : the "Bureau", to "lack wisdom" by deciding to hold a Debate on an issue that neither the Socialist Chair of the Legal Committee, nor its Socialist "reluctant Rapporteur", did "not want to do", ...

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Finally, everybody (critics and supporters alike) was happy to agree, in substance, that the controversial measure "may" gravely violate Human Rights, and therefore, PACE asked Legal Experts of Venice Commission to check UK Government''s plans.

But this might take more than .. 42 Days to do, since PACE's Rapporteur asked the Experts to enlarge their study in a PanEuropean comparison of all that is happening on "anti-terrorism" legislation in 47 CoE Member Countries, including Russia, Turkey and Azerbaidjan..

Bad lack : "The existing 28 days’ detention without charge in the UK is, in comparison with other CoE member countries, one of the most extreme : In Turkey, the period is 7,5 days, in France 6 days, in Russia 5 days, and in .. the U.S. and Canada just 2 and 1 days respectively", denounced Democrat MEP Ms WOLDSETH from Norway..

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"Numerous respected human rights organisations, including Liberty and Human Rights Watch, have expressed serious concern" "The proposed legislation ...could easily lead to extensive abuses. ...Detention for 42 days means six weeks in which one is taken away from one’s family, friends, home and livelihood only to be let off without being charged. That will destroy lives and isolate communities", she added.

- "3 years ago, the UK Government sought to increase the period of pre-charge detention from 14 days to 90 days. Not long before that, it had been only 7 days. There was a vigorous debate ...and a ...compromise was reached of 28 days. We have to ask whether there are proper safeguards in place to extend the period to 42 days. I suggest that there are fatal flaws", reminded British Conservative Clappison.

- "What sort of society holds someone in detention for 42 days and does not have to tell the person who is in prison why they are there, or explain the suspicions that arose and led to their detention? What sort of society believes that that is the way to treat its citizens? That is an appalling injustice, ...A 42-day detention period will not make the UK safer. Instead, it will be the first step to giving in to terrorists; it is saying that we are prepared to sacrifice our democratic rights and the principles for which we have stood for centuries", criticized British Liberal Michael Hanckock

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"Comments made ...by Norwegian delegates are unfortunate", replied British Socialist MEP Ms.Curtis-Thomas, accusing them to "besmirch the reputation of our police force, which is one of the Best in the World", as she said, believing that "there are significant safeguards ...to ensure that individuals are not subjected to unlawful detention"

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PACE "has serious doubts whether ...the draft legislation are in conformity with the ...case-law of the European Court of Human Rights. A lack of ..safeguards may lead to arbitrariness, resulting in breaches of ... liberty and ...right to a fair trial". PACE "is particularly concerned that: ..the judge ..may not be in a position to examine whether there exist reasonable grounds for suspecting that the arrested person has committed an offence;"; that "... representation by a lawyer may be inappropriately restricted or delayed;" that "information on the grounds for suspicion of a person ...may be unduly withheld.. ;" that this "may give rise to arrests without the intention to charge;", and; in general, that "prolonged detention without proper information on the grounds for arrest may constitute inhuman treatment", says Klaus De Vries' Report, adopted with 29 votes against zero.

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Records don't say if it took him 42 Days to draft his Report, but, at least, he knew why...

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