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CoE Commissioner Mujnieks+IPCAN Head Toubon to EF: Terror Suspects+Victims' Rights v. Police

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Пятница, 15 Сентябрь 2017
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*Strasbourg/CoE/Angelo Marcopolo/- In fact, it's on their main Duty to Protect Humanity against Barbarism, that conscientious Policemen have to Focus, Both when they must be Tough, Fast, Bold and Smart in order to Save Innocent People and the Society from Islamist a.o. Deadly Terrorist Attacks, and when they must Take Care to Avoid or Rectify on time eventual Abuses of the Powers that Society entrusts to them, agreed the Experienced Head of the IPCAN European Network of Human Rights Watchdogs on Police Activities, former Minister and currently Ombudsman in France, Jacques Toubon, speaking to "Eurofora" at the Conclusion of a Press Conference on a 2 Days Long PanEuropean Colloquy co-organized with the CoE on the Respect of Citizens'" Rights and Freedoms in the Context of Strengthening the Fight against Terrorism".

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This rare event, including Police Watchdogs from several European States, Human Rights' Defenders (including from the EU and CoE, etc) and experienced Police Oficers, took place right in front of the ECHR's Building in Strasbourg, but also the Same Day that a New Terrorist Attack stroke earlier this Morning at London's Subway, making about 30 Wounded Victims, closely Followed also by 2 Knife and Hammer Islamist Terrorist Attacks in France against Police or Civilian Women in France.


Toubon, as well as COE's Commissioner on Human Rights, Nils Muiznieks, together with British and Danish Representatives of that unique "Independent Police Complaints Authorities' Network" (IPCAN), Replied earlier, During that main Press Conference at the CoE to a series of Topical "Eurofora"s Questions, Starting by one on the obvious, Today, need to Balance Both Terrorism Suspects', and Terrorism Victims' Human Rights adequately, in an "Increased Tension", nowadays, that CoE's Conference had earlier noted, between a Need to Protect, but also to Respect People, wondering how, concretely, a desired Extension of Independent Ovesight Authorities could practicaly help to Tackle this issue in the forseable Future :


(Recently, indeed, some Islamist Terror's Victims' Families had reportedly Criticized what they found as Lack of elementary Protection, f.ex. vis a vis ISIL's Deadly Attacks in Paris, at "Bataclan", on 2015, followed also by those at Nice, on 2016, etc. as well as in other similar incidents in Europe, as "Eurofora" reminded, citting also Articles 1, 2, 3 and 13 of the PanEuropean Convention of Human Rights, etc).


- Indeed, a Citizens' "Right to Safety", is something recognized "since Long", (f.ex. even since the French Revolution's Declaration of Rights, already as early as "since 1789"), and, "therefore, ECHR", in fact, Nowadays, "tries to strike a Balance between what is Necessary for that Legitimate Right to Security, and the Guarantees of the Fundamental Freedoms for all", as a matter of principle, President Toubon replied.


 - "It's in this Framework, that we speak about the Rights of the Victims, f.ex. of the recent Terrorist Attacks, on which we have recently worked", Toubon, who is also France's Ombudsman or, alias, "Defender of Rights", added in his Reply to that 1st "Eurofora"s Question.


 - "As far as it concerns, now, Police's Behavior, according to IPCAN's official Declaration, adopted Today in Strasbourg, those People who might Feel to have Suffered from ill-treatment by the Police, must be able to easily Present their Complaints, in order to be Examined by an Independent Authority", he stressed.


   - "In addition, naturaly, to the fact that Courts are always available for eventual Criminal Sanctions", in both cases.


    + "Human Rights are, obviously, for Everybody, withOut Distinguising between Victims and Perpetrators, Guilty or Innocent", etc., in cases of Terrorism, and People's "fundamental Right to get Protection is a Fundamental Issue, also for all Society", went on to Add, in Reply to "Eurofora"s above-mentioned Question, also Brittish deputy Chairwoman of UK's Independen Police Complaint Commission (IPCC), Sarah Green.


  - As far as "the Independent oversight of Police's Actions" is concerned, including States' Duty to found "Really Independent" Bodies, this still is, "an On-Going Challenge", Mrs Green went on to say. It's also "Important, in terms of Public Confidence", that "every day, we can prove, that any Investigation that we make, has an Added Value", she advised.


  => F.ex., Replying also to anOther, Specific "Eurofora" Question, on the Notorious Tragic case of an Innocent Brazilian Student, Jean-Charles Menedez (da Silva), a White Christian curiously, Erroneously Confused with an Arab Muslim Islamist Terror Suspect of Suicide-Bomb Attacks, and Brutally Shot and Killed by some London Policemen, Back on 2005, (i.e. just After the First Terror Bombings in London's Subway and in a Bus, which had just Killed or Wounded Many other Civilian People), Green found, in substance, that IPCC's Critical Investigations on that Blunder, even if they concerned an "Old Case", still were, indeed, "Worth Reflecting" on how to act in Recent Cases.


    - Even if the situation might have become "Completely Different" nowadays, f.ex. during "the Recent Terror Attacks", we have found that it's better to "Work Closely" with the Police, "while Respecting our Boundaries", and that Tragic Affair had Helped to do a useful "Learning", she concluded.


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    - Danish Director of the "Independant Police Complaints Authority" (IPCA) at Copenhagen, Kyrsten Dyrman, replying also to "Eurofora"'s Questions, stressed, in particular, that, one among the Main Conclusions of an "Evaluation" that we made, was that, "for the Danish People", the "Independance" of a Police Oversigt Body, as ours, was something "very Important".


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    + Returning back to "Eurofora"s Initial Question "about the Victims of Terrorism", CoE's PanEuropean Commissioner for Human Rights, Nils Muiznieks, replied that, at least, "Human Rights can Help them Not to become Doubly Victimized" :


    - F.ex., at the South-East of Turkey, Ankara's Authorities had so much "Over-Reacted" to some Terrorist Attacks, that they had Destroyed a lot of Vilages, and Violently "Displaced many Hundrends of Thousands of People !", CoE's Commissioner Denounced.


    - But, "according to a Human Rights approach, any Reaction has to be Strictly Proportional to what is really Needed", Muiznieks reminded, as a matter of Principle.


     - Therefore, Human Rights can Help also Victims of Terrorism, Not to be "Dually Victimized", he concluded.


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    IPCAN's next Bi-Annual Conference is due to take place on 2019 in the UK, announced, in fine of Today's Press Conference, President Toubon.
    And it's due to Focus on the Need to Build "Trust" between the Police and some Communities, he added.


    I.e. an issue on which, at least as far as it concerns the recent Deadly Islamist Terrorist Attacks targetting innocent Civilian Peopla are concerned, the above-mentioned Opposition between "Humanity and Barbarism" (Comp. Supra), could certainly he Helpful, Toubon agreed with "Eurofora".

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    An "Eugenic" loophole Amendment, which might expose to Dangers reminiscent of "3rd Reich's" notorious Genetic Abuses, hidden at the last minute inside an otherwise Good, larger Health policy Package scheduled to be voted on Thursday, was strongly denounced by a coalition of MEPs from various Political Groups and Countries, in a Press Conference held this afternoon at EU Parliament in Strasbourg.

    Mainly calling to "Select Human Embryos", via "Genetic Counselling" and "pre-implantation" Techniques including "Genetic Tests", in order to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", it might open ways to Dangerous Practices in Future, they denounced in substance.

    But they also made it clear that a much larger Report inside which this Controversial Amendment "No 15" was added in dubious circumstances, officialy destinated to struggle against "Rare Diseases", and drafted by Professor Antonios Trakatellis, was otherwise "an Excellent Report", aiming at a "completely Uncontroversial target" of Health policy on which "all MEPs and Experts are united, believing that Europe should act" to protect People's Health (See "EuroFora"'s earlier News).

    The controversy came at a particularly delicate moment for the EU in relation to Citizens, at the eve of June 2009 EU Elections, and shortly before Ireland re-votes for "Lisbon Treaty"..    

- Denouncing risks of "an Eugenic demand, very similar to what we had during the 3rd Reich in Germany, but now coming from some Scientisists themselves", German ChristianDemocrat/EPP MEP Dr. Peter Liese stressed that critical MEPs were against "Eugenic" engineering with "Selection of Human Embryos", and anything which might ultimately lead up to to a "Selection of Human Race". It doesn't help to "eradicate" Human Lives, he added.


    Several Experts and NGOs expressed "Deep Concern", as f;ex. DR M.C. Cornel of the "European Society of Human Genetics", which stressed, on this occasion, that "the importance of Non-Directiveness in Reproductive issues is a Central characteristic of Human Genetics, after the Atrocities committed in the name of Genetics in the first half or the 20th Century".

     - "This is completely Unacceptable", stressed Italian Liberal MEP Vittorio Prodi, on the Controversial Amendment, also because pushes to "eliminate early Human Life", as he noted.

     - "This opens a Dangerous Road, rather a Motorway", denounced Danish MEP Mrs Margrette Auken, from the "Greens", observing that various similar attempts were made in the Past "not only in Germany, but also in several other Countries, "even at the 1970ies", "f.ex. on forced Sterilisation of Roma" People, and other criticisable situations f.ex. in the UK, in Sweden, etc. as she said.

    + Other NGOs, as f.ex. "LebenHilfe" from Berlin, added that, among various other Risks, could also be that, by exploiting the pre-implantation Genetic Diagnostics and the Selection of "healthy" Embryos, some may "propagate" several "Eugenic" aims, starting f.ex. by pushing to eradicate Human Livies which might "Cost too much" to preserve, ultimately exposing to dangers reminiscent of the "3rd Reich"'s atrocious abuses.

    In consequence, ChristianDemocrats/EPP and "Green" MEPs "decided by Majority to vote against" this Controversial Amendment, anounced to Journalists the 5 MEPs who participated in the Press Conference, representing a wide spectrum, from Liberals to "Greens" and ChristianDemocrats, and from Hungary, Italy, Germany and Danemark up to Ireland (Gay Mitchell), etc.
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    Hungarian ChristianDemocrat MEP Laszlo Surjan said "that it was "Suddenly, at the End of the Procedure" in Committee, that "appeared this (Controversial) Amendment, which has nothing to do" with the main purpose of the Report, on which all agreed.

    He denounced an "Unhonest" move, and called to "avoid this kind of unacceptable situations". Nobody should "Select People", Surjan stressed.

    - "We (MEPs) had No Chance to Discuss" this last-minute Amendment earlier added at a Committee's level, said German MEP Peter Liese

    Speaking to "EuroFora", Dr. Liese, the Spokesman of the ChristianDemocrat/EPP Group in EU Parliament, said that MEPs didn't oppose other references of the Report f.ex. on "Genetic Tests", because they were "no proposals" to impose them, while, on the contrary, there was "a Problem" if anyone attempted to "impose" f.ex. this or that Genetic Technique and "Genetic Counselling", etc. to the People on human reproduction.
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    Controversial parts of Amendment No 15 ask mainly "to lead finally to the Eradication" of "Hereditary" "rare diseases", "through Genetic Counselling .., and ..pre-Implantation Selection of healthy Embryos".

    But  EU Rapporteur Professor Trakatellis, said to "EuroFora" that fears should be alleviated by Guarantees that all this should be done only "where appropriate", when it's "not contrary to existing National Law", and "always on a Voluntary basis", according to other Parts of the Amendment.

    He stressed that the main aim was to allow "a free and informed choice of persons involved", without imposing them anything :  - "It's not an obligatory, but advisary" text, he said.

    To make that point clear, he was ready, in agreement with many MEPs, to eventually drop at least that part of the controversial Amendment which initially called for "efforts to ..lead finally to the Eradication of those rare diseases" "which are Hereditary".

    But, until late Wednesday evening, reportedly together with many other MEPs, he stood by all the rest of the controversial Amendment, (fex. on the "Genetic Counselling" and the "pre-implantation Selection of healthy Embryos"), so that critical MEPs, going from ChristianDemocrats as Dr. Liese, to "Greens" or "Ind/Dem", observed to "EuroFora" that "this was not enough" to close the dangerous loophole.

    Particularly since, as Professor Trakatellis noted himself, "this is already allowed to the U.K.", and "other National Legislations would probably follow, sooner or later" in a similar direction. As for a general call to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", this "should happen, at any case, in practice, de facto", to protect public Health.

    On the contrary, "our goal should be to help patients suffering from rare diseases, not to eradicate the patients. In case of genetic disease risk, the decision should not be guided by scenarios" made by politicians. "Perents who may decide to accept a child, even if handicapped or with genetic disease, must be respected and supported with solidarity", critical MEPs stated.

    - "Any Pressure" to "a patient or couple (who "should be able to make an informed choice consistent with their own values"),"from health Professionals, Public Health Policies or Governemental Institutions, or Society at large, should be avoided", stresses the "European Society for Human Genetics".

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Each MEP's vote will be registered !

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The Socialist Group requested a "Split vote" on the Amendment 15, first without, and afterwards with the words "lead finally to the Eradication" etc.


    But the first "split vote" leaves intact all the other parts of the Controversial Amendment, (i.e. "Genetic Counselling", "Selection of healthy Embryos", etc).

    That's why, 3 Groups of MEPs : ChristianDemocrats/EPP, "Greens/EFA", and "Ind/Dem", have asked for "Roll Call Votes", on everything regarding the Controversial Amendment No 15, and on the final outcome of the resulting Report as amended, which will register all the individual positions to be taken by each MEP.   

Something which will obviously make each MEP think twice before voting for one or another choice, to be sure that he/she will make the right choice in front of EU Citizens, particularly at these pre-Election times...


    Crucial Votes were scheduled between 12 Noon and 1 p.m. local Strasbourg time, in the middle of a long series of various other Reports, and after a long Public Debate on the larger Health policy package, from 9 to 11.50 am.

    The specific Report inside which was hidden the controversial Amendment is due to be debated between 11 and 12 am.

    So that more last-minute Surprises may not be excluded a priori...

    Particularly at the present Historic moment, when even the Institutional Future of the EU depends on the result of a second Referendum on "Lisbon Treaty", later this year, in ...Ireland, a mainly Catholic country, where People are particularly sensitive in such kind of socio-cultural and values issues...
 

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