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EUParliament V.President Wieland +EFDD Group Chair Farage: 2 Opposed Views on BREXIT meet on Timing?

Written by ACM
Tuesday, 14 March 2017
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*Strasbourg/EU Parliament/Angelo Marcopolo/- Speaking to "Eurofora" from 2 clearly Opposed Viewpoints on BREXIT, EU Parliament's vice-President Rainer Wiener, a prominent Christian-Democrat from nearby Germany, and EFDD Group's Chairman Nigel Farage, a UKIP Leader from the UK, appeared set to clearly Prefer that the UK Government's Decision on Triggering the Article 50 (of Lisbon EU Treaty) Procedure would be Taken well Before the forthcoming French Elections of April 2017.


That concrete Point unexpectedly became a "Hot" Issue, when British Prime Minister Theresa May, who had initialy Foreseen to Start that Legal Procedure on March 2017, and had just Prepared things for that, Suddenly made an U-Turn, Today, reportedly Due also to Scotland's NP party's critical stance.


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  - Wieland, speaking Earlier to "Eurofora", stressed from the outset :  - "I think that we (EU) should Proceed very Solidly.


 - "The Next Step will be the Question whether and when the UK is going" out of the EU, he observed.


  - In that regard, "there will be a Letter confirming the (procedure of) Article 50 for the United Kingdom".


- "And we (EU 27) have to be very Clear : It's Not a "Punishment" of the UK. It's a Question whether Europe is a Cherry-Cake, where everybody can Pick up what he wants". "In this, will, obviously, show Clearly that we are very Solid", he advised.


- Nowadays, "by the way, what Happens in the UK shows that it's Not a Fairy Tale, and reminds us what will be the case If the UK Leaves the EU", he Warned.


- Meanwhile, "We always Hope" to "have enough Time" for that, as well as Other Important Political RDVs, in the foreseable Road Ahead for Europe's Future, President Wieland pointed out, in Conclusion, reiterating a preference for an early enough triggering of the BREXIT Legal Process, so that Uncertainties don't Waste too much Time, (probably in view, also, of the forthcoming, May 2019 EU Parament's next Elections).

+ Even more Important : - "Then, I think, this (i.e. the above-mentioned UK-BREXIT related Developments : Comp. SUpra), will also Influence the Elections in France !", Wieland added, referring to the forthcoming, April/May 2017 French Presidential Elections. I.e. something which, in order to work, obviously requires an Early enough Trigerring of the Article 50 procedure by the UK Government, initialy promissed by British Prime Minister Theresa May for this Month of March 2017, (Comp. Supra),


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Farage, almost met, in practice, Wieland's assessment on BREXIT's Timing : 

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    - As things stand Now, - "I think that the Big Debate (of Wednesday, March 15) "will be withOut BREXIT". In fact, "BREXIT is going to be Barely Mentionedn Tomorrow", Farage regretted, as far as a forthcoming MEP's main Topical Debate about EU's Future is concerned, as can be Highlighted by the Latest EU Summit in Brussels, Last Week (9 - 10/3/2017), and the Forthcoming EU Summit for the 60th Anniversary of Rome Treaties, Next Week in Italy, (25/3/2017).


    => - That's "Because We (the UK) will Wait until the 4rth of April" 2017, i.e. the Next EU Parliament's Plenary Session in Strasbourg, (which, by a Coincidence, is also Just 1 Day After Nigel Farage's own, personal BirthDay : April 3)..


    - Indeed, "on the 4rth of April, We (EU Parliament) will have the Big "BREXIT" Debate", he pointed out, in a quite Affirmative way.


    - Since, Meanwhile, "the Article 50" Procedure "will have been Triggered", and "the Parliament will have a Resolution to Vote on", Farage further foresaw.


    - "So, Tomorrow it's Not a BREXIT Debate", Contrary to what many had Initialy Expected, up to the Last Minute, (as, f.ex., inter alia, t's revealed also by EU Parliament's earlier anounced Readiness to eventualy Change its Agenda, even at the Last Minute, If the UK Prime Minister, Theresa May, would Decide to trigger the Article 50 procedure this Week).


    - "But, are you Sure about that April Rendez-Vous ? Or, Anything may Happen ?", asked "Eurofora".

    - "It will better be !...", "I'm Sure about that",  Replied with a Bitter Smile, Chairman Farage, clearly Warning that, Otherwise, i.e. in case of any Further Delay to timely Trigger the Article 50 Procedure for BREXIT, there would be a Strong InFight inside the UK...
    
    In Other Words, Both those Diametricaly Opposed, Key MEPs, even without explicitly saying so, (and, obviously for Differend Reasons each one of them), seem to Want to Avoid an even Longer Delay and Uncertainty about UK's position vis a vis the EU, Urging for a prompt Clarification now, Before the French Presidential Elections start on April 23.


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EU Parliament's vice-President Wieland, a Long-Time mainstream MEP from Nearby Baden-Wurtemberg, is also President of the "Federalist" Citizen's Movement "Europa Union" in Germany, since 2011, where he succeeded eminent European Politicians, such as former EU Parliament's President Hans Gert Poettering, (currently "Adenauer Foundation"'s President), Elmar Brok, (Experienced Top MEP and Long-Time former President of EU Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee, recently EU co-Rapporteur on the Future of Europe), and Peter Altmeier (MP and Top Counselor of Chancelor Angie Merkel).


EFFDD Group of MEP's Chairman, Farage, a Key "Euro-Sceptic" Leader of the pro-BREXIT Movement in the UK, Long-Time Head of the UKIP party, supported New US President Don Trump's Electoral Campaign, Recently Works also for North American "Fox-News" Media, as well as with UK's "LBC" Radio, (to which he was Broadcasting every Evening", as an EU Parliament's Radio-TV Technician told "Eurofora" this week, probably given, precisely, also the reNewed Topicality of the "BREXIT" issue nowdays).


Paradoxicaly, these, otherwise, Diametricaly Opposed, Key MEPs, Both Claim, however, to give a particular importance to the potential Role of Citizens. 


"Eurofora" Project's, clearly declared, initial main Aim, from the Start, was to try to progressively build a Political Forum on Topical Issues affecting European People's Lives, where Diverse Viewpoints would Present their Opposed Arguments, as a Part of a much Needed "European Space for Public Debate" throughout all EU/CoE Countries united together, and well beyond.

 

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(NDLR : President Wieland, and Chairman Farage's above mentioned declarations to "Eurofora", were made at Different Moments, but at the Same Place : EU Parliament in Strasbourg, and on the Same Issue : BREXIT, which notoriously Became Anew Topical this week, Given, particularly, several Recent, still-on going Developmenrts inside the UK, etc).

 

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    An "Eugenic" loophole Amendment, which might expose to Dangers reminiscent of "3rd Reich's" notorious Genetic Abuses, hidden at the last minute inside an otherwise Good, larger Health policy Package scheduled to be voted on Thursday, was strongly denounced by a coalition of MEPs from various Political Groups and Countries, in a Press Conference held this afternoon at EU Parliament in Strasbourg.

    Mainly calling to "Select Human Embryos", via "Genetic Counselling" and "pre-implantation" Techniques including "Genetic Tests", in order to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", it might open ways to Dangerous Practices in Future, they denounced in substance.

    But they also made it clear that a much larger Report inside which this Controversial Amendment "No 15" was added in dubious circumstances, officialy destinated to struggle against "Rare Diseases", and drafted by Professor Antonios Trakatellis, was otherwise "an Excellent Report", aiming at a "completely Uncontroversial target" of Health policy on which "all MEPs and Experts are united, believing that Europe should act" to protect People's Health (See "EuroFora"'s earlier News).

    The controversy came at a particularly delicate moment for the EU in relation to Citizens, at the eve of June 2009 EU Elections, and shortly before Ireland re-votes for "Lisbon Treaty"..    

- Denouncing risks of "an Eugenic demand, very similar to what we had during the 3rd Reich in Germany, but now coming from some Scientisists themselves", German ChristianDemocrat/EPP MEP Dr. Peter Liese stressed that critical MEPs were against "Eugenic" engineering with "Selection of Human Embryos", and anything which might ultimately lead up to to a "Selection of Human Race". It doesn't help to "eradicate" Human Lives, he added.


    Several Experts and NGOs expressed "Deep Concern", as f;ex. DR M.C. Cornel of the "European Society of Human Genetics", which stressed, on this occasion, that "the importance of Non-Directiveness in Reproductive issues is a Central characteristic of Human Genetics, after the Atrocities committed in the name of Genetics in the first half or the 20th Century".

     - "This is completely Unacceptable", stressed Italian Liberal MEP Vittorio Prodi, on the Controversial Amendment, also because pushes to "eliminate early Human Life", as he noted.

     - "This opens a Dangerous Road, rather a Motorway", denounced Danish MEP Mrs Margrette Auken, from the "Greens", observing that various similar attempts were made in the Past "not only in Germany, but also in several other Countries, "even at the 1970ies", "f.ex. on forced Sterilisation of Roma" People, and other criticisable situations f.ex. in the UK, in Sweden, etc. as she said.

    + Other NGOs, as f.ex. "LebenHilfe" from Berlin, added that, among various other Risks, could also be that, by exploiting the pre-implantation Genetic Diagnostics and the Selection of "healthy" Embryos, some may "propagate" several "Eugenic" aims, starting f.ex. by pushing to eradicate Human Livies which might "Cost too much" to preserve, ultimately exposing to dangers reminiscent of the "3rd Reich"'s atrocious abuses.

    In consequence, ChristianDemocrats/EPP and "Green" MEPs "decided by Majority to vote against" this Controversial Amendment, anounced to Journalists the 5 MEPs who participated in the Press Conference, representing a wide spectrum, from Liberals to "Greens" and ChristianDemocrats, and from Hungary, Italy, Germany and Danemark up to Ireland (Gay Mitchell), etc.
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    Hungarian ChristianDemocrat MEP Laszlo Surjan said "that it was "Suddenly, at the End of the Procedure" in Committee, that "appeared this (Controversial) Amendment, which has nothing to do" with the main purpose of the Report, on which all agreed.

    He denounced an "Unhonest" move, and called to "avoid this kind of unacceptable situations". Nobody should "Select People", Surjan stressed.

    - "We (MEPs) had No Chance to Discuss" this last-minute Amendment earlier added at a Committee's level, said German MEP Peter Liese

    Speaking to "EuroFora", Dr. Liese, the Spokesman of the ChristianDemocrat/EPP Group in EU Parliament, said that MEPs didn't oppose other references of the Report f.ex. on "Genetic Tests", because they were "no proposals" to impose them, while, on the contrary, there was "a Problem" if anyone attempted to "impose" f.ex. this or that Genetic Technique and "Genetic Counselling", etc. to the People on human reproduction.
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    Controversial parts of Amendment No 15 ask mainly "to lead finally to the Eradication" of "Hereditary" "rare diseases", "through Genetic Counselling .., and ..pre-Implantation Selection of healthy Embryos".

    But  EU Rapporteur Professor Trakatellis, said to "EuroFora" that fears should be alleviated by Guarantees that all this should be done only "where appropriate", when it's "not contrary to existing National Law", and "always on a Voluntary basis", according to other Parts of the Amendment.

    He stressed that the main aim was to allow "a free and informed choice of persons involved", without imposing them anything :  - "It's not an obligatory, but advisary" text, he said.

    To make that point clear, he was ready, in agreement with many MEPs, to eventually drop at least that part of the controversial Amendment which initially called for "efforts to ..lead finally to the Eradication of those rare diseases" "which are Hereditary".

    But, until late Wednesday evening, reportedly together with many other MEPs, he stood by all the rest of the controversial Amendment, (fex. on the "Genetic Counselling" and the "pre-implantation Selection of healthy Embryos"), so that critical MEPs, going from ChristianDemocrats as Dr. Liese, to "Greens" or "Ind/Dem", observed to "EuroFora" that "this was not enough" to close the dangerous loophole.

    Particularly since, as Professor Trakatellis noted himself, "this is already allowed to the U.K.", and "other National Legislations would probably follow, sooner or later" in a similar direction. As for a general call to "Eradicate Hereditary rare Diseases", this "should happen, at any case, in practice, de facto", to protect public Health.

    On the contrary, "our goal should be to help patients suffering from rare diseases, not to eradicate the patients. In case of genetic disease risk, the decision should not be guided by scenarios" made by politicians. "Perents who may decide to accept a child, even if handicapped or with genetic disease, must be respected and supported with solidarity", critical MEPs stated.

    - "Any Pressure" to "a patient or couple (who "should be able to make an informed choice consistent with their own values"),"from health Professionals, Public Health Policies or Governemental Institutions, or Society at large, should be avoided", stresses the "European Society for Human Genetics".

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Each MEP's vote will be registered !

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The Socialist Group requested a "Split vote" on the Amendment 15, first without, and afterwards with the words "lead finally to the Eradication" etc.


    But the first "split vote" leaves intact all the other parts of the Controversial Amendment, (i.e. "Genetic Counselling", "Selection of healthy Embryos", etc).

    That's why, 3 Groups of MEPs : ChristianDemocrats/EPP, "Greens/EFA", and "Ind/Dem", have asked for "Roll Call Votes", on everything regarding the Controversial Amendment No 15, and on the final outcome of the resulting Report as amended, which will register all the individual positions to be taken by each MEP.   

Something which will obviously make each MEP think twice before voting for one or another choice, to be sure that he/she will make the right choice in front of EU Citizens, particularly at these pre-Election times...


    Crucial Votes were scheduled between 12 Noon and 1 p.m. local Strasbourg time, in the middle of a long series of various other Reports, and after a long Public Debate on the larger Health policy package, from 9 to 11.50 am.

    The specific Report inside which was hidden the controversial Amendment is due to be debated between 11 and 12 am.

    So that more last-minute Surprises may not be excluded a priori...

    Particularly at the present Historic moment, when even the Institutional Future of the EU depends on the result of a second Referendum on "Lisbon Treaty", later this year, in ...Ireland, a mainly Catholic country, where People are particularly sensitive in such kind of socio-cultural and values issues...
 

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