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EUParliament V.President Wieland +EFDD Group Chair Farage: 2 Opposed Views on BREXIT meet on Timing?

Written by ACM
Tuesday, 14 March 2017
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*Strasbourg/EU Parliament/Angelo Marcopolo/- Speaking to "Eurofora" from 2 clearly Opposed Viewpoints on BREXIT, EU Parliament's vice-President Rainer Wiener, a prominent Christian-Democrat from nearby Germany, and EFDD Group's Chairman Nigel Farage, a UKIP Leader from the UK, appeared set to clearly Prefer that the UK Government's Decision on Triggering the Article 50 (of Lisbon EU Treaty) Procedure would be Taken well Before the forthcoming French Elections of April 2017.


That concrete Point unexpectedly became a "Hot" Issue, when British Prime Minister Theresa May, who had initialy Foreseen to Start that Legal Procedure on March 2017, and had just Prepared things for that, Suddenly made an U-Turn, Today, reportedly Due also to Scotland's NP party's critical stance.


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  - Wieland, speaking Earlier to "Eurofora", stressed from the outset :  - "I think that we (EU) should Proceed very Solidly.


 - "The Next Step will be the Question whether and when the UK is going" out of the EU, he observed.


  - In that regard, "there will be a Letter confirming the (procedure of) Article 50 for the United Kingdom".


- "And we (EU 27) have to be very Clear : It's Not a "Punishment" of the UK. It's a Question whether Europe is a Cherry-Cake, where everybody can Pick up what he wants". "In this, will, obviously, show Clearly that we are very Solid", he advised.


- Nowadays, "by the way, what Happens in the UK shows that it's Not a Fairy Tale, and reminds us what will be the case If the UK Leaves the EU", he Warned.


- Meanwhile, "We always Hope" to "have enough Time" for that, as well as Other Important Political RDVs, in the foreseable Road Ahead for Europe's Future, President Wieland pointed out, in Conclusion, reiterating a preference for an early enough triggering of the BREXIT Legal Process, so that Uncertainties don't Waste too much Time, (probably in view, also, of the forthcoming, May 2019 EU Parament's next Elections).

+ Even more Important : - "Then, I think, this (i.e. the above-mentioned UK-BREXIT related Developments : Comp. SUpra), will also Influence the Elections in France !", Wieland added, referring to the forthcoming, April/May 2017 French Presidential Elections. I.e. something which, in order to work, obviously requires an Early enough Trigerring of the Article 50 procedure by the UK Government, initialy promissed by British Prime Minister Theresa May for this Month of March 2017, (Comp. Supra),


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Farage, almost met, in practice, Wieland's assessment on BREXIT's Timing : 

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    - As things stand Now, - "I think that the Big Debate (of Wednesday, March 15) "will be withOut BREXIT". In fact, "BREXIT is going to be Barely Mentionedn Tomorrow", Farage regretted, as far as a forthcoming MEP's main Topical Debate about EU's Future is concerned, as can be Highlighted by the Latest EU Summit in Brussels, Last Week (9 - 10/3/2017), and the Forthcoming EU Summit for the 60th Anniversary of Rome Treaties, Next Week in Italy, (25/3/2017).


    => - That's "Because We (the UK) will Wait until the 4rth of April" 2017, i.e. the Next EU Parliament's Plenary Session in Strasbourg, (which, by a Coincidence, is also Just 1 Day After Nigel Farage's own, personal BirthDay : April 3)..


    - Indeed, "on the 4rth of April, We (EU Parliament) will have the Big "BREXIT" Debate", he pointed out, in a quite Affirmative way.


    - Since, Meanwhile, "the Article 50" Procedure "will have been Triggered", and "the Parliament will have a Resolution to Vote on", Farage further foresaw.


    - "So, Tomorrow it's Not a BREXIT Debate", Contrary to what many had Initialy Expected, up to the Last Minute, (as, f.ex., inter alia, t's revealed also by EU Parliament's earlier anounced Readiness to eventualy Change its Agenda, even at the Last Minute, If the UK Prime Minister, Theresa May, would Decide to trigger the Article 50 procedure this Week).


    - "But, are you Sure about that April Rendez-Vous ? Or, Anything may Happen ?", asked "Eurofora".

    - "It will better be !...", "I'm Sure about that",  Replied with a Bitter Smile, Chairman Farage, clearly Warning that, Otherwise, i.e. in case of any Further Delay to timely Trigger the Article 50 Procedure for BREXIT, there would be a Strong InFight inside the UK...
    
    In Other Words, Both those Diametricaly Opposed, Key MEPs, even without explicitly saying so, (and, obviously for Differend Reasons each one of them), seem to Want to Avoid an even Longer Delay and Uncertainty about UK's position vis a vis the EU, Urging for a prompt Clarification now, Before the French Presidential Elections start on April 23.


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EU Parliament's vice-President Wieland, a Long-Time mainstream MEP from Nearby Baden-Wurtemberg, is also President of the "Federalist" Citizen's Movement "Europa Union" in Germany, since 2011, where he succeeded eminent European Politicians, such as former EU Parliament's President Hans Gert Poettering, (currently "Adenauer Foundation"'s President), Elmar Brok, (Experienced Top MEP and Long-Time former President of EU Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee, recently EU co-Rapporteur on the Future of Europe), and Peter Altmeier (MP and Top Counselor of Chancelor Angie Merkel).


EFFDD Group of MEP's Chairman, Farage, a Key "Euro-Sceptic" Leader of the pro-BREXIT Movement in the UK, Long-Time Head of the UKIP party, supported New US President Don Trump's Electoral Campaign, Recently Works also for North American "Fox-News" Media, as well as with UK's "LBC" Radio, (to which he was Broadcasting every Evening", as an EU Parliament's Radio-TV Technician told "Eurofora" this week, probably given, precisely, also the reNewed Topicality of the "BREXIT" issue nowdays).


Paradoxicaly, these, otherwise, Diametricaly Opposed, Key MEPs, Both Claim, however, to give a particular importance to the potential Role of Citizens. 


"Eurofora" Project's, clearly declared, initial main Aim, from the Start, was to try to progressively build a Political Forum on Topical Issues affecting European People's Lives, where Diverse Viewpoints would Present their Opposed Arguments, as a Part of a much Needed "European Space for Public Debate" throughout all EU/CoE Countries united together, and well beyond.

 

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(NDLR : President Wieland, and Chairman Farage's above mentioned declarations to "Eurofora", were made at Different Moments, but at the Same Place : EU Parliament in Strasbourg, and on the Same Issue : BREXIT, which notoriously Became Anew Topical this week, Given, particularly, several Recent, still-on going Developmenrts inside the UK, etc).

 

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Hu Jia's prize brings SAKHAROV's wife to "EuroFora" on murders of Journalists Politkofskaya, Gongadze and Adali :

- Elena Bonner : "All Journalists' murders must be fully investigated", without Double Standards.                                                                                    

During a special Mega-Event to celebrate 20 Years of SAKHAROV Prize for "Freedom of Thought", attributed in 2008 by EU Parliament to jailed Chinese Cyber-Dissident Hu JIA, the move was reinforced by strongly criticizing the persisting impunity in three cases of Journalists' Murders, such as POLITKOVSKAYA in Russia, GONGADZE in Ukraine, and ADALI in Turkish-occupied part of Cyprus.

Any bureaucratic doubt about whether Cyber-dissidents like Hu JIA might have, or not, a right to be protected as all Journalists must be, particularly when they take risks to search, find and publish original and critical News on issues of general interest to the society, could not resist to the emotion provoked by the message of his Wife, Zeng JINYAN spectacularly transmitted at a big screen in EU Parliament's hemicycle :

- "The most important and most interesting thing he did was to ... say the Truth :.. to write about the phenomena he observed... He never stopped Publishing.. on websites, so that the Public could learn about the reality .. and understand it.  In my view, this has been his greatest contribution", stressed the young wife of the jailed man, eager to cite also the cases of other critical journalists who faced various kinds of "harassment".

 - "Welcoming all those who have suffered for defending Human Rights", EU Parliament's President, German MEP Hans Gert POETTERING, who had invited to Strasbourg all former Sakharov prize-winners from various Countries throughout the World, said that "China needs Europe, and Europe needs China : A great nation" with which "we want to have a good relationship", "association and ..friendship". "But we are never going to stop our fight for Human Rights, and No Government can expect this from us".

    - "It's impossible  to achieve goals of Peace, if Human Rights are left out. In fact, Peace and Human Rights are intrinsequaly linked", added POETTERING.

    It's in this spirit that MEPs adopted, on Thursday, a Resolution denouncing that "the criminal
investigation and trial following the murder of (a) Journalist ...raises serious concerns with regard to transparency and respect for the rule of law", when a "brutal killing has not yet been fully investigated and solved in a satisfactory way".

    The text refered to dissident Journalist "Anna POLITOVSKAYA", a critic of Tchechen conflict, killed some years ago in Moscow, where Russian Authorities have found, arrested and are currently judging two executants, while also searching to arrest also a 3rd one, allegedly escaped in Belgium. But they have not yet found the instigators.

     Similar texts were adopted recently also on dissident Ukranian Journalist Georgiy GONGADZE's murder, for which Ukranian Authorities have at least found, arrested and condemned 2 executants to 12 and 13 Years of jail, but not yet the instigators. For that purpose, they recently accepted an International Experts team to participate to the investigations.     

But, it's only for the Murder of dissident Turkish Cypriot Journalist ADALI, in the occupied territories of Cyprus, that Turkey has NOT yet found ANYONE responsible, and even claimed recently inside CoE that it would be "impossible" to do so !    

These astonishing differences exist despite the fact that ECHR condemned alike Ukraine and Turkey with 2 Judgements on the same year : 2005, for the murders of  Journalists GONGADZE and ADALI, strong critics of Corruption in Ukraine, and of Ankara's policies on mass-influx of Turkish Settlers in the Occupied Territories of Cyprus, respectively.    

Regarless of that, CoE's Committee of Ministers, who is entrusted with the duty to supervise execution of ECHR's judgements, has just asked Ukraine's Government to reply to further questions on Gongadze's murder before March 2009, while Turkey, curiously, got a longer postponement for answering questions on Adali's murder, until June...   

A comparison of these cases, raises serious questions about Double Standards :

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On TRANSPARENCY :
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    On Gongadze's murder, CoE's body speaks even about the participation of
"an INTERNATIONAL group of Experts" in the Investigation, (f.ex. of "Tape Recordings"), accepted by Ukraine.
    On the contrary, on Adali's murder, CoE is obliged to repeatedly ask (for a 2nd
time) Turkey whether, at least, it informed the victims' Family, or not...
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- On EFFICIENCY :
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On Gongadze's murder, CoE formally "recalls that the Committee (of Ministers) ..URGED the Ukranian authorities.. to TAKE ALL NECESSARY INVESTIGATIVE STEPS TO ACHIEVE CONCRETE and VISIBLE RESULTS in the INVESTIGATION, aimed at the Identification of the INSTIGATORS and Organisers of the Murder", and "STRONGLY INVITED the Ukranian Authorities to provide information on the PROGRESS IN THE INVESTIGATION", before MARCH 2009.

But, on Adali's murder, on the contrary, CoE's body merely .. "took note" of the "arguments presented by" Cyprus, which denounce the absence of any proof of new "investigation" by Turkey. Following Turkey's own suggestion (!), it simply "noted" that there is "no limitation period" for "any new element" to "lead potentialy (sic !) to a Re-Opening of the Investigation". Without saying who might find any such "new" fact, since Turkey stoped searching... It also POSTPONED the issue until .. JUNE  !
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 - On the PUNISHMENT OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE :
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 -  On Gongadze's murder case, Ukranian Authorities already arrested and condemned, at least 2 suspects, to 12 and 13 Years of jail. And on Politkovskaya's murder at least 2 suspects are judged, and a 3rd one "wanted".

On the contrary, on Adali's murder case, the Turkish authorities simply claim that "it had not been possible to obtain new .. information .. on the basis of which criminal charges could be brought against ANY person" !...

Moreover,  a LETTER sent by Turkey ...2 Years after CoE's 2006 call to re-investigate anew Adali's murder case, is totally EMPTY of Facts ! As Cypus' Delegation denounced earlier, Turkey's Letter ONLY CLAIMS that a "New Investigation" was made without any result, but does NOT even cite ANY FACT to prove it :

F.ex.,on the crucial issue of the "MOTIVATIONS" behind Adali's murder, noted by ECHR, Turkey MERELY CLAIMS that "all allegations  were investigated; without result", but OMITS ANY FACT TO PROVE IT !..(It doesn't even remind which were these "allegations").. .

+ On ECHR's astonishment that the Turkish Occupation regime didn't produce any "BALLISTIC REPORT" on the Shots which murdered Adali, Turkey again repeats, 12 years later, that, still, even until now, "it  was not possible to obtain the BalisticReport"...

- As for the astonishing absence of key-WITNESSES' Testimonies, denounced by ECHR, Turkey agains repeats various pretexts avoiding to reveal anything, (Fex. that a person "left" the Occupied Territories  "on 2002", or that another witness was heard, but without revealing nothing of what he said, etc).

Turkey obviously "FAILS TO MEET THE CRITICISM made BY THE COURT" for lack of any efficient Investigation in Adali's case, concluded Cyprus' Government.
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Replying to our Question which COMPARED these 3 outstanding cases of "JOURNALISTS MURDERS", Adali, Gongadze and Politkovskaya, in order to avoid "Double Standards" by asking from Ukraine and Russia more than what is asked EU candidate Turkey, many European personalities were critical /

They criticised Ankara's recent claim at the CoE to stop investigating, because it would be "impossible to find anyone" responsible for the 5 bullet shots which killed Kutlu ADALI in front of his Family Home, contrary to the other two Journalists' murders, where Ukraine and Russia at least arrested the executants, searching now for the instigators :
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    - "Where was that ? In Turkish Occupied Cyprus ? WITHOUT ANY DOUBT : Any murder of Journalist should be investigated in full ! All these Murders must be investigated !", replied the famous SAKHAROV's wife, Elena BONNER to our question on Adali's case, compared to Gongadze and Politofskaya.

    Elena Bonner spoke us EXCLUSIVELY shortly after being honored by the President
of EU Parliament on the occasion of 20 Years of her husband's SAKHAROV Prize.

    A strong personality, Sakharov's wife even had to struggle against an anonymous EU staffer who, astonishingly, tried to stop her speaking when h heard our question on "Turkey" (!) : - "Please, let me translate, she continues
speaking, don't stop us !", had to cry Sakharov's daughter, (a Journalist
herself), who was translating her mothers' reply, (obliged to speak louder to
make her voice heard despite the harassment).. (= + Audio Proof !)

    Earlier, Elena Bonner also fustigated "Double Standards" at another case, on
Western countries' attitude vis a vis Kosovo and the Kurds : -F.ex. "You have
recognized a few 400.000 Kosovars as an "independent" country, but you still
deny that to 30 millions of Kurds in Turkey !", she denounced.
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    - "This (ADALI's murder) is an issue which should be pursued by the Committee
for Human Rights. That's why we have one, and it's its duty to examine cases of
Journalists' murders as the one you referred to. You should bring the case in
front of that Committee", suggested in reply to our question on Adali, EU
Parliament's President, German MEP Hans Gert POETTERING.

    - "It's impossible  to achieve goals of PEACE, if HUMAN RIGHTS are left out :
in fact, Peace and Human Rights are intrinsequaly linked", added POETTERING.
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    + "For us (European/International Federation of Journalists) it's clear :
Whenever a Journalist is Murdered, the Investigation should continue until
those Responsible are found !", replied earlier to another question on ADALI
EFJ/IFJ's Secretary General, Aidan WHITE.

    Speaking as a matter of General Principle, White asked us for "concrete data"
on the execution of ECHR's judgement on Adali case, in order to "look at it in
depth" and "make a formal statement", in comparison with the other Murdered
Journalist case, also pending at CoE's  Ministers for completing its execution,
on Ukranian Gongadze.
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     From EU Rapporteur on Human Rights, vice-President of EU Parliament Liberties' Committee, MEP Giusto CATANIA, we were told that, since there is an ECHR judgement in both Adali and Gongadge's cases, "Turkey must naturally execute the judgement and make a full and efficient investigation, until those responsible for the Journalist's murder are found and punished".

    Even if "we (Catania's "EuroLeft" Group) support Turkey's EU perspectives, this does not mean that Ankara should not behave properly. On the contrary, it means that they have to meet tough conditions, particularly on Human Rights", was added on the occasion of Adali's murder case.

    Moreover, "since you raise the issue of Mr. Adali's muder as a part of a Series of Journalist's murders, including fex. Gongadze, Politkovskaya, ao., tthen we (EU) could also act together with CoE's Commissioner on Human Rights, Thomas HAMMARBERG, it was suggested.

    - "We (EU) must step up efforts against the problem of IMPUNITY : Real Peace cannot exist without Justice",  stressed also this week at EU Parliament in Strasbourg, French Minister on Human Rights, Mrs Rama YADE.
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