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France: Fake News on Polls +Foggy Replies to New Risks on BioEthics =Trend for NO in IVF/LGBT Debate

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Friday, January 12, 2018
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*Strasbourg/Press Club/Angelo Marcopolo/- The Replies to "Eurofora" and Other Journalists' Questions in a  Press Conference by the "European Forum on BioEthics"' President, Professor Israel Nisand, organized by Strasbourg's Press Club, as well as a closer Analysis on the Facts about Latest Polls, (much Publicized by pro-IVF/LGBTI and even pro-Surrogate Mothers'+Euthanasia's fans), at the Beginning of a Crucial Year for French State's Decisions on Artificial Procreation of Human Beings etc., raise Serious Question-Marks about "Fake News" on such Polls and Vague Responses on New Risks for BioEthics, which might Explain a recent Trend towards More People than in the Past supporting now a "NO" to IVF/Artificial Insemination even to Homosexuals, (while, on the Contrary, some Push the Move even to Surrogate Mothers, Euthanasia/Assisted Suicide, etc)...

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First of all, it's an Undeniable Fact that the People are quasi-Unanimous about the "Importance" that have Nowadays, the Topical Issues about "Artificial Procreation" of Human Beings, the "New Genetic Technologies", the "End of Life", the "storage of (Personal) Medical Data", etc.: Polls give about 90% against only some 10% on this point.


But, also an Unquestionable Fact seems to be a Recent Trend, for More People than in the Past, Towards Opposing Now the Artificial Procreation even for Homosexual Couples of Women (Lesbians), Contrary to what some Lobbies had notoriously pushed on 2017 the current Government to consider possibly doing in 2018/2019, on the occasion of a scheduled, regular Review of the Legislation on BioEthics :


- F.ex.,  + 4 % More People than Before, Now Oppose the First Point (IVF/Lesbians), and according also to anOther Polls, (Both by "IFOP", from December 2017, published on January 2018), the Number of Opposed People has Grown even Further, up to + 5% More than what they were on July 2017.  


+ At the Same Time, the Number of those who Were "Absolutely Favorable" to Legalize Artificial Procreation of Children for Lesbian couples Falls Dramatically, from 30% Back on July 2017, Down to Only 22% Now, i.e. a Diminution of - 8 % Less than before ! (And such a Low percentage for that group had Not been seen for Many Years in France : since Back on 2013)...


In consequence, these People appear to have Started Recently to Hesitate, since they seem Transfered among those who would be Merely "RATHER Favorable", (instead of "Absolutely", Contrary to the Past).


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=> WHY this Surprizing Recent Trend (which is also Noted by "IFOP" itself (But Scandalously Ommitted by most Establishment Medias who stick to the Artificial Procreation/Lesbian lobbies) ?


It can't be excluded that it might be due to a recently Rising and Higher Awareness and Consciousness of the People about BioEthical Issues, which would be Normal Each Time that the relevant Legislation is Reviewed, as it seems that it had Already happened in the Past :


F.ex., between 2004 and 2013, the Majority of the People had radically Changed, from a Previous Small "YES" with 51% against 48%, Towards a Strong "NO" to previous demands to Legalize Artificial Procreation of Children for Lesbians, with 53% against only 47%, (as the History of IFOP's Polls show in the Past).


>>> But, Today's New Facts clearly Converge towards anOther, much More Probable, (or even Additional) Explanation, as it results from the Replies given to "Eurofora"s and anOther NewsMedias', Different but relevant Questions, which Both point, indirectly but surely, towards People's perception of recently Growing big Risks, mainly due to some Far-Reaching and Controversial New Technologies, which notoriously Pose Huge New Challenges to Humanity  (Comp. Supra) :


- "Eurofora" asked President Nisand, in substance, whether he Believed that possible Risks of various eventual Abuses, IF the Artificial Procreation of Children was Legalized even for numerous Lesbians' couples, Could be Faced with Efficient SafeGuards, or Not. And, on this occasion, we observed also the New US Administration of President Don Trump's recent Decision to Design and Fund a New "Security Strategy", including "BioWarfare" (according also to UNO's International Convention on Biological Weapons) , "Bio-Terrorism", and even possible Abuse of some New Bio-Technologies, including by the Private sector, asking Nisand if he thought that EU should also Develop a relevant Scientific/Technological Research to Invent and produce such Safeguards, (f.ex. in the current Context of EU's Security and Defence Policy "Boom", where Medical Issues were already Included, at a Collective Decision taken by 25 EU Member Countries and endosed by their Heads of State/Govrnment at the Latest EU Summit in Brussels : Comp., f.ex.: ..., etc).


 - Professor Nisand's Reply to the above-mentioned Question by "Eurofora", was, in Substance, to -Clearly, but Simply- "Ensure" us that, in such a case, "Everything Will be Done" in order to Prevent and/or Face any such eventual Risks.  


 + When Asked by "Eurofora" if he "Firmly Believed that this would be Technically Feasible", Nisand, briefly but Clearly Replied with a Positive - "Yes !".


- However, he did Not Mention, on this occasion, Anyone of those "Measures" which might Safeguard Human Rights' of all involved, as well as Humankind as such, from possible relevant Abuses. Neither did he gave Any Concrete Example which might have Illustrated his claim, on such a Topical and Serious Issue.


+ Moreover, after a relevant Question raised Afterwards by a Collegue Journalist from a Local French Media (specialized on Medical Science/Technology Issues), about What could be done in order to Alleviate Concerns of several People about the Risks of Abuse, in this area of Artificial Procreation of Children,  by some New Bio-Technologies such as the "Gene-Editing" "CRISP-cas9", (where natural Human Genes can be easily "Cut" and "Replaced" by Other, Different Genes), things much became Foggy :

 - Indeed, Professor Nisand, (who is, personally, an Experienced Specialist in Gynecology), in his subsequent Reply to that Question, apparently trying to be as Honest as possible on the Main Facts, added that, as a matter also of General Principle, in cases of so Radical Technological Innovations in the History of Humankind, "We shall probably see Both the Best, and the Worse !", from that New Gene-Editing Technology... - "However, in the End, we shall Manage, as we did, until now, even for the Nuclear" Bombs and Energy...


 >>> But, precisely, many People, it seems, do Not Want more Dangerous "Nuclear Proliferations", with such Risky "Bombs" interfering even inside Human Beings' Procreation by Artificial Techniques eventually Abusing of Controversial methods, which could Threaten to put all Humankind in serious and Irreversible Jeopardy, able to provoke even Racial and Social Catastrophes...


=> Therefore, the Cause for that Recently Growing Trend towards More "NO" and/or Hesitations vis a vis Attempts to Legalize in France the In Vitro Fertilisations/Artificial Inseminations even for Homosexual Couples of Lesbians, that was Revealed by the Latest Polls (Comp. Supra), could, Probably, be Legitimate Fears or Concerns about that New "Gene Editing" Technology, (CRISP/Cas9+), facilitating Genetic Manipulations of Human Embryos, even on Germ-line, i.e. Risking to provoke Various Separate Races of Beings, (with natural Humans being, as a result, Irreversibly Discriminated and Downgraded) ?  


Many "Classic", World-Famous Intellectuals in the Past (particularly since the Beginning of the 20th Century), as well as, Recently, several Scientists, Politicians, Journalists, Legal Experts, Writers, and other Civil Society Actors, but, particularly, a lot of Simple People, have Notoriously Raised various such Critical Questions, which, Nowadays, (given the Fast-Growing Power of Bio-Technologies, which have Reached a Crucial Level for all Society and Humankind), obviously Need Urgent, Clear and Convincing Answers, responsible Guarantees.


CoE, the PanEuropean Organisation for Human Rights, Democracy and Rule of Law, (including BioEthics), has Already Warned about "the Need to PROTECT the Identity of the HUMAN Being", and "to Preserve the ... NATURAL GENETIC Combination, that gives it its Freedom and Uniqueness, and to Prevent its Exploitation", as it stressed in the Official Texts of "the 1st and Only International Legal instrument" developed on BioEthics, on the occasion of the "Prohibition of Human Cloning", which has just Celebrated its 20th Anniversary (1998-2018) Last Week in Strasbourg.


20 Years Later, the Risks Threatening, precisely, those "Natural Genetics" of the "Human Beings", have obviously Increased at Worrying proportions (Comp. Supra), particulary when it comes to New "Gene Editing" Technologies emerging, by a "Coincidence", at the Same Moment that some Lobbies Push to Legalize Many Thousands or Millions of "Artificial Procreations" of Human Embryos, etc., even at the Orders of Homosexuals' Choices, (i.e. withOut any Vital Necessity)....


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 => Despite this New, seriously Dangerous Context, it's Astonishing to observe, on the Contrary, the scandalously Superficial, Misleading, almost "Fake News" and Irresponsible way, with which a lot of Establishement's Medias at least misregarded or even abused of that Latest Polls on BioEthics, published by "IFOP" at the Beginning of January 2018, i.e. practically at the Eve of the Opening of crucial Public Debates on "Hot" BioEthical Issues (as IVF evenn for Lesbians, Surrogate Mothers etc, Euthanasia, Assistes Suicide, etc), due to be, almost Immediately, Followed by Political Decisions :


- Most of those French Médias, (including, f.ex., from "Liberation", "La-Croix" and other Left-leaning Establishment's Newspapers, to several "LGBTI" and/or Technocratic Lobbies' Groups, etc.), have just designed an overall Picture of almost ...Triomphal and UnHindered, quasi-Linear and Steadily Rising, Super-Winning Big Trend towards a Fast Growing, Massive Popular Support to Opening all Articificial Procreation Techniques ("PMA" in French) even to Lesbian Couples, added to "Surrogate Mothers", etc., not to mention Euthanasia and/or Assisted Suicide, etc...


- According to their overall Presentations, It's as if nothing else happened in this area during the Last Decades, but only a Constant Growth of so-called Popular "Majorities" wishing more and more to Legalize all Artificial Procreation Technologies, even for Lesbians, even withOut any Safeguard against the Obvious Risks of New "Gene Editing" Techniques (Comp. Supra)...


And, in their view, (i.e. as those Establishment's Medias -especially of the Left-present things), the Facts would have been Clearly and Unquestionably Established, in this regard, mainly by a Series of Polls asked to, and made by "IFOP", between 1990 and 12/2017.


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>>> However, in fact, all these Claims depend from some Too  "Shaky" and UnCertain Bases, blatant MisRepresentations, UnTrustworthy Sources, full of various Contradictions, obvious Risks of Abuse, too open to possible Manipulations, and quite UnConvincing, so that they seem UnFit in order to definitively Judge on so Serious and Far-Reaching, Big BioEthical Issues, as those cited above.

 

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Among Others :

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STRANGE "FUNDERS" : 

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- The very Large Majority (6 out of 8 !) among the Funders, who Asked and Paid for those Polls by "IFOP", between 1990 - 12/2017, are from Big "Pharma" Lobbies, various "Leftist" outlets, (such as Globalist "Fashion", an NGO headed by Technocrats and Funded by "Socialist" Politicians, etc.), and even ..."LGBTI" Associations !


F.ex., the Biggest Funder, Buyer and User of those "IFOP" Polls is "ADFH" : an Association explicitly claiming to serve  the Interests of ..."Homosexual" couples ! (3 Times in a Row : on 10/2014, 8/2016 and 6/2017, i.e., practically, when the Program of the New President + Government of France had been Prepared).  It was Preceded by Globalist "Fashion", notoriously superficial Magazine "Elle", only for Women, (4/2004), and Followed by a "Pharma" outlet (on 9/2017), together with a Local  NGO Headed by a Gynecologist and a Genetician,  (recently dealing with "BioEThics"), which is Funded by a "Socialist" Municipality (12/2017)...


-- Only Two (2) (out of a Total of Eight : 8) Funders of "IFOP" Polls on BioEhics, seem to be something Else. (F.ex. 1990's Poll, for an UnSpecified Group, and a 2013 Poll, for Christian Magazine "Pelerin").


=> +By a "Coincidence", it's, precisely, Those 2 Polls (of 1990 + 2013) which are the ONLY ones to Find a Majority of People OPPOSED to attempts to legalize Artificial Procreation of Human Beings even for Lesbians !


- On the Contrary, ... ALL the Other 6 relevant IFOP's Polls, Funded by Leftists, Big "Pharma", and/or mainly "LGBTI" Lobbies, (Both Before and After those 2 Different Funders : Comp. Supra), Routinely Claim that a Popular Majority would have, Suddenly, Changed its Mind, and reportedly Started to Always Ask to ALLOW Massive Artificial Procreations of Human Beings at the order of Lesbian couples, etc.


>>> I.e. an Astonishing, almost 100% "Coincidence" (on Both Sides) between the obvious Interests served by Funders, and Polls' Results...
=> How could, Anyone, seriously Trust such Polls, mainly Paid by "Homosexuals"', Leftists and "Pharma" Lobbies, and Always Reflecting, in their "Results", the Interests of their Funders, (See blatant Facts cited Above), concerning so Critical "BioEthical" Issues, of Crucial Importance for all Humanity (Comp. Supra) ?


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+ Moreover, even the Technical "Methodology" of Each one among those Polls by "IFOP" on BioEthics, looks rather Fishy, and, at least, Controversial :


- F.ex., the Only 2 Polls by "IFOP" on BioEthics which were made according to the Traditional, well-known and Tested Methods "BY PHONE", (i.e. with a Clear Choice of the Individuals who are Interviewed, under the Exlusive Responsibility of the Pollster), have resulted Either at THE STRONGEST MAJORITY of People OPPOSED to Artificial Procreations of Children, even for Lesbians : Up to 70% Against Only 24% (!), OR at just a Small, Tiny, almost INSIGNIFICANT Difference between those supposed too be "in Favour", and those who Refuse : Only 51 % versus 48 %, i.e. Near to the "Statistical Error"'s Margin : About 2%. (Polls of 1990 and 2004, respectively).


- On the Contrary, almost ALL Other such Polls, which were made with a Completely DIFFERENT and Controversial METHOD, that of "On-Line, AUTO-ADMINISTRATED (sic !) Questionaire", gave Radically OPPOSITE Results : With 1 Only Exception (that of 2013/"Pelerin" Christian Magazine : 53% Opposed), in their Quasi-TOTALITY, 6 out of 7 Such Polls, suddenly started to give, for the 1st Time, several UnUsually BIG  MAJORITIES for supposed Fans of Artificial Procreations of Human Beings, (f.ex.: 53%, 59%, 60%, 64%, and again 60%, on 10/2014, 8/2016, 6/2017, 9/2017 and -less- 12/2017, respectively)...


It is Well Known that this Different, "Auto-Administrated", "On-Line Questionaire" Method, is mainly used by some Because it's ... "CHEAPER", (Not Better) !


But it's also UnClear and Controversial, How Pollsters could "ATTRACT" a Sufficient Number of the Right Persons in order to be Interviewed in such a way : Some even speak of ...Commercial "PUBLICITY", Various Other ways to "MOTIVATE" them, and/or Paid AWARDS, etc !


 I.e., the Real Conditions, under which is operated the Choice of those whose Views are Counted, or not, in in such "Auto-Administrated" On-Line Questionaires, obviously appear much More UNCLEAR, UNCERTAIN, and/or Controversial, than what it's in the Traditional, Well-Tested Methods, as "By Phone" etc. under the Direct Responsibility of the Pollster. (F.ex., it's easy to imagine what Falsifications might result from a Poll Asked and Paid by a LGBTI, "Pharma" and/or "Socialist" Lobby, if it was conducted Only by such an "Auto-Administrated" Method, in Only 1 of 2 Days, When it's mainly the Fans of that Lobby who were Timely Informed about the Existence and the Importance of such an "On-LIne Questionaire", while its Adversaries and/or Various Other People with Different, Critical Beliefs, knew Nothing !)...

+ And it would be FALSE to eventually Claim that those "Auto-Administrative" Polls, might, perhaps, be more "MODERN", than those traditionaly made "By Phone", according to Well-Tested Methods, under the Direct Responsibility of the Pollster , (Comp. Supra), so that the First might have Succeeded, Recently, to the Latter, almost Everywhere.


Indeed, recent Facts reveal that even "IFOP" Continues to use Nowadays such Traditional "By Phone" Methods, also in its Newest Polls, (on various Other Issues), as, f.ex., even on January 2018 !  (i.e., for "Paris-Match" and "Sud Radio", on some "Political" matters)...      

Why, then, some, suddenly, Started to use Exclusively Contradictory, Uncertain Methods, Only for Topical BioEthical Issues (Comp. Supra) ?


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"TRICKY" QUESTIONS ?
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* DOUBTS, inevitably, Grow, when observers Examine also the Precise Content of the Questions raised by those Controversial "IFOP"'s Polls on BioEthics :

- F.ex., Initially that Question concerned, Explicitly, all "Artificial Procreation Techniques", (currently "PMA" in French) i.e. Both In Vitro Fertilisation (IVF), and Artificial Insemination, etc.


=> Indeed, that was the case at that "IFOP"'s Poll which Scored ...THE BIGGEST "NO", with 70% of People OPPOSED ! (f.ex. on 1990).


- But, Later-on, "IFOP" started to raise Only a Question mentioning Simply "Artificial Insemination" for Lesbian couples, with Nothing Else...


=> Such a Move coincided with absolutely Different Results in its Polls : With only 1  Exception (of 2013), ...ALL Other such Polls gave various Majorities of "YES", more or less, (f.ex. on 2004, 2014, 2016, 6/2017, 9/2017, and -Less- on 12/2017).

>>> A Point is that "IVF", (which was Ommitted to be mentioned in those Controversial recent "IFOP"s Polls), is, notoriously, the Most Exposed to various Risks of eventual Abuse by "GENE EDITING" Recent Techniques, (as, f.ex., that of "CRISP-cas9", etc.: Comp. Supra).
In Consequence, that strange and unexplained Ommission to even mention it, in those "IFOP"s Polls, inevitably Affects their Credibility, with even More Question Marks...


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+ Moreover, Recent "IFOP"s Polls made also AnOther Strange OMMISSION : They curiously ERASED the Mention of "a DONOR EXTERNAL to the Couple" (or Taken "OUT of the Couple") :

- A Polls which had INCLUDED an Explicit Mention of that Fact, has Resulted in the Biggest Majority of "NO", with 70% of the People OPPOSED  to such "Artificial Procreation Techniques" against Only 24% "For", (1990). On the Contrary, Recent "IFOP"s Polls on similar BioEthical Issues EXCLUDE Any Mention of that, and (with 1 Exception) Result in various Majorities of "YES", (47% to 60% at the Latest : Comp. Supra).

>>> The Point is that, Among Various Other Factors, In Addition to the Core of Christian People, several Jewish, Most of the Right side of the Political Spectrum, Real "Greens", Real "Humanists", Real "Progressive", "Anti-Establishment" People, some Enlightened/Conscious "Intellectuals", etc., it's Also a Large part of MUSLIMS, who should, normally, be Opposed at least to those Artificial Techniques which threaten to Introduce +Third Individuals (i.e. Strangers) inside a Couple in case of Artificical Procreation, (f.ex. a "Sperm Donor" with Gametes External to the Family, a "Surrogate Mother" who Lends her own Body, etc). Some sources already spole about Eminent Islamologues' relevant "Opinions", and/or of a "Fatwa", etc. But, by Ommitting Any Mention of that Fact, "IFOP"s Recent Polls, obviously Hinder them to Realize what is really going on, on such delicate BioEthical Issues...

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=> All that, Taken Together, when, according to some Polls (f.ex. by "OpinionWay" for a Disident NGO, on 2017), while a Large Number of People : 47% or 45%, Expect from the French Government to "Fight against UnEmployment" and "against Terrorism", on the Contrary, just a Tiny Minority of ... Only 2% is Interested on "Opening the Debate" on Artificial Procreation for Lesbians, (i.e., at the LAST Level, near the "Reform of Transport policies" !), naturally Diminishes the "Triomphal" Boasting of some Establishment's Medias on those Controversial "IFOP"'s Polls, (that Others have also Found to be Grossly Abused by some, almost to a level of "Fake News")...


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More could and should be Added, sooner or later, But, Already, at least One Conclusion clearly Results from All Facts and Logical Arguments that are Published here:


Too Many Legitimate Question-Marks are raised on those Misleading Claims about some recent Polls with which some Technocratic Lobbies obviously Seek to "Burry" any Real Democratic Debate, even Before it Starts in France, from the 18th of January 2018, in view of Final Political Decisions Later this Year...

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(NDLR : Graphic on CRISP-cas9 from "QUANTA" Magazine, specialized on Science/Technology news)
 
+ (In Part : Fast Translation from Original in French)
 
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Hu Jia's prize brings SAKHAROV's wife to "EuroFora" on murders of Journalists Politkofskaya, Gongadze and Adali :

- Elena Bonner : "All Journalists' murders must be fully investigated", without Double Standards.                                                                                    

During a special Mega-Event to celebrate 20 Years of SAKHAROV Prize for "Freedom of Thought", attributed in 2008 by EU Parliament to jailed Chinese Cyber-Dissident Hu JIA, the move was reinforced by strongly criticizing the persisting impunity in three cases of Journalists' Murders, such as POLITKOVSKAYA in Russia, GONGADZE in Ukraine, and ADALI in Turkish-occupied part of Cyprus.

Any bureaucratic doubt about whether Cyber-dissidents like Hu JIA might have, or not, a right to be protected as all Journalists must be, particularly when they take risks to search, find and publish original and critical News on issues of general interest to the society, could not resist to the emotion provoked by the message of his Wife, Zeng JINYAN spectacularly transmitted at a big screen in EU Parliament's hemicycle :

- "The most important and most interesting thing he did was to ... say the Truth :.. to write about the phenomena he observed... He never stopped Publishing.. on websites, so that the Public could learn about the reality .. and understand it.  In my view, this has been his greatest contribution", stressed the young wife of the jailed man, eager to cite also the cases of other critical journalists who faced various kinds of "harassment".

 - "Welcoming all those who have suffered for defending Human Rights", EU Parliament's President, German MEP Hans Gert POETTERING, who had invited to Strasbourg all former Sakharov prize-winners from various Countries throughout the World, said that "China needs Europe, and Europe needs China : A great nation" with which "we want to have a good relationship", "association and ..friendship". "But we are never going to stop our fight for Human Rights, and No Government can expect this from us".

    - "It's impossible  to achieve goals of Peace, if Human Rights are left out. In fact, Peace and Human Rights are intrinsequaly linked", added POETTERING.

    It's in this spirit that MEPs adopted, on Thursday, a Resolution denouncing that "the criminal
investigation and trial following the murder of (a) Journalist ...raises serious concerns with regard to transparency and respect for the rule of law", when a "brutal killing has not yet been fully investigated and solved in a satisfactory way".

    The text refered to dissident Journalist "Anna POLITOVSKAYA", a critic of Tchechen conflict, killed some years ago in Moscow, where Russian Authorities have found, arrested and are currently judging two executants, while also searching to arrest also a 3rd one, allegedly escaped in Belgium. But they have not yet found the instigators.

     Similar texts were adopted recently also on dissident Ukranian Journalist Georgiy GONGADZE's murder, for which Ukranian Authorities have at least found, arrested and condemned 2 executants to 12 and 13 Years of jail, but not yet the instigators. For that purpose, they recently accepted an International Experts team to participate to the investigations.     

But, it's only for the Murder of dissident Turkish Cypriot Journalist ADALI, in the occupied territories of Cyprus, that Turkey has NOT yet found ANYONE responsible, and even claimed recently inside CoE that it would be "impossible" to do so !    

These astonishing differences exist despite the fact that ECHR condemned alike Ukraine and Turkey with 2 Judgements on the same year : 2005, for the murders of  Journalists GONGADZE and ADALI, strong critics of Corruption in Ukraine, and of Ankara's policies on mass-influx of Turkish Settlers in the Occupied Territories of Cyprus, respectively.    

Regarless of that, CoE's Committee of Ministers, who is entrusted with the duty to supervise execution of ECHR's judgements, has just asked Ukraine's Government to reply to further questions on Gongadze's murder before March 2009, while Turkey, curiously, got a longer postponement for answering questions on Adali's murder, until June...   

A comparison of these cases, raises serious questions about Double Standards :

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On TRANSPARENCY :
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    On Gongadze's murder, CoE's body speaks even about the participation of
"an INTERNATIONAL group of Experts" in the Investigation, (f.ex. of "Tape Recordings"), accepted by Ukraine.
    On the contrary, on Adali's murder, CoE is obliged to repeatedly ask (for a 2nd
time) Turkey whether, at least, it informed the victims' Family, or not...
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- On EFFICIENCY :
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On Gongadze's murder, CoE formally "recalls that the Committee (of Ministers) ..URGED the Ukranian authorities.. to TAKE ALL NECESSARY INVESTIGATIVE STEPS TO ACHIEVE CONCRETE and VISIBLE RESULTS in the INVESTIGATION, aimed at the Identification of the INSTIGATORS and Organisers of the Murder", and "STRONGLY INVITED the Ukranian Authorities to provide information on the PROGRESS IN THE INVESTIGATION", before MARCH 2009.

But, on Adali's murder, on the contrary, CoE's body merely .. "took note" of the "arguments presented by" Cyprus, which denounce the absence of any proof of new "investigation" by Turkey. Following Turkey's own suggestion (!), it simply "noted" that there is "no limitation period" for "any new element" to "lead potentialy (sic !) to a Re-Opening of the Investigation". Without saying who might find any such "new" fact, since Turkey stoped searching... It also POSTPONED the issue until .. JUNE  !
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 - On the PUNISHMENT OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE :
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 -  On Gongadze's murder case, Ukranian Authorities already arrested and condemned, at least 2 suspects, to 12 and 13 Years of jail. And on Politkovskaya's murder at least 2 suspects are judged, and a 3rd one "wanted".

On the contrary, on Adali's murder case, the Turkish authorities simply claim that "it had not been possible to obtain new .. information .. on the basis of which criminal charges could be brought against ANY person" !...

Moreover,  a LETTER sent by Turkey ...2 Years after CoE's 2006 call to re-investigate anew Adali's murder case, is totally EMPTY of Facts ! As Cypus' Delegation denounced earlier, Turkey's Letter ONLY CLAIMS that a "New Investigation" was made without any result, but does NOT even cite ANY FACT to prove it :

F.ex.,on the crucial issue of the "MOTIVATIONS" behind Adali's murder, noted by ECHR, Turkey MERELY CLAIMS that "all allegations  were investigated; without result", but OMITS ANY FACT TO PROVE IT !..(It doesn't even remind which were these "allegations").. .

+ On ECHR's astonishment that the Turkish Occupation regime didn't produce any "BALLISTIC REPORT" on the Shots which murdered Adali, Turkey again repeats, 12 years later, that, still, even until now, "it  was not possible to obtain the BalisticReport"...

- As for the astonishing absence of key-WITNESSES' Testimonies, denounced by ECHR, Turkey agains repeats various pretexts avoiding to reveal anything, (Fex. that a person "left" the Occupied Territories  "on 2002", or that another witness was heard, but without revealing nothing of what he said, etc).

Turkey obviously "FAILS TO MEET THE CRITICISM made BY THE COURT" for lack of any efficient Investigation in Adali's case, concluded Cyprus' Government.
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Replying to our Question which COMPARED these 3 outstanding cases of "JOURNALISTS MURDERS", Adali, Gongadze and Politkovskaya, in order to avoid "Double Standards" by asking from Ukraine and Russia more than what is asked EU candidate Turkey, many European personalities were critical /

They criticised Ankara's recent claim at the CoE to stop investigating, because it would be "impossible to find anyone" responsible for the 5 bullet shots which killed Kutlu ADALI in front of his Family Home, contrary to the other two Journalists' murders, where Ukraine and Russia at least arrested the executants, searching now for the instigators :
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    - "Where was that ? In Turkish Occupied Cyprus ? WITHOUT ANY DOUBT : Any murder of Journalist should be investigated in full ! All these Murders must be investigated !", replied the famous SAKHAROV's wife, Elena BONNER to our question on Adali's case, compared to Gongadze and Politofskaya.

    Elena Bonner spoke us EXCLUSIVELY shortly after being honored by the President
of EU Parliament on the occasion of 20 Years of her husband's SAKHAROV Prize.

    A strong personality, Sakharov's wife even had to struggle against an anonymous EU staffer who, astonishingly, tried to stop her speaking when h heard our question on "Turkey" (!) : - "Please, let me translate, she continues
speaking, don't stop us !", had to cry Sakharov's daughter, (a Journalist
herself), who was translating her mothers' reply, (obliged to speak louder to
make her voice heard despite the harassment).. (= + Audio Proof !)

    Earlier, Elena Bonner also fustigated "Double Standards" at another case, on
Western countries' attitude vis a vis Kosovo and the Kurds : -F.ex. "You have
recognized a few 400.000 Kosovars as an "independent" country, but you still
deny that to 30 millions of Kurds in Turkey !", she denounced.
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    - "This (ADALI's murder) is an issue which should be pursued by the Committee
for Human Rights. That's why we have one, and it's its duty to examine cases of
Journalists' murders as the one you referred to. You should bring the case in
front of that Committee", suggested in reply to our question on Adali, EU
Parliament's President, German MEP Hans Gert POETTERING.

    - "It's impossible  to achieve goals of PEACE, if HUMAN RIGHTS are left out :
in fact, Peace and Human Rights are intrinsequaly linked", added POETTERING.
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    + "For us (European/International Federation of Journalists) it's clear :
Whenever a Journalist is Murdered, the Investigation should continue until
those Responsible are found !", replied earlier to another question on ADALI
EFJ/IFJ's Secretary General, Aidan WHITE.

    Speaking as a matter of General Principle, White asked us for "concrete data"
on the execution of ECHR's judgement on Adali case, in order to "look at it in
depth" and "make a formal statement", in comparison with the other Murdered
Journalist case, also pending at CoE's  Ministers for completing its execution,
on Ukranian Gongadze.
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     From EU Rapporteur on Human Rights, vice-President of EU Parliament Liberties' Committee, MEP Giusto CATANIA, we were told that, since there is an ECHR judgement in both Adali and Gongadge's cases, "Turkey must naturally execute the judgement and make a full and efficient investigation, until those responsible for the Journalist's murder are found and punished".

    Even if "we (Catania's "EuroLeft" Group) support Turkey's EU perspectives, this does not mean that Ankara should not behave properly. On the contrary, it means that they have to meet tough conditions, particularly on Human Rights", was added on the occasion of Adali's murder case.

    Moreover, "since you raise the issue of Mr. Adali's muder as a part of a Series of Journalist's murders, including fex. Gongadze, Politkovskaya, ao., tthen we (EU) could also act together with CoE's Commissioner on Human Rights, Thomas HAMMARBERG, it was suggested.

    - "We (EU) must step up efforts against the problem of IMPUNITY : Real Peace cannot exist without Justice",  stressed also this week at EU Parliament in Strasbourg, French Minister on Human Rights, Mrs Rama YADE.
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