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Author Topic: Turkey discredits Libyan operation by its interference via NATO  (Read 13797 times)
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« on: March 29, 2011, 08:06:03 AM »

If Turkey really interferes, as it is reported these days, then it will discredit and undermine the Libyan operation of EU/USA/Arab countries/UN, which was initially led under a banner calling to Help Libyan People against Military Threats and to liberate itself from Oppression :

- Because a Turkish regime which has arrested and still keeps in Prison 3.000 Elected Kurdish Mayors, Regional Counsellors, etc, these same years (2009-2011), holds a No 1 record  for Impunity of Torturers despite 16 Years of condemnations by ECHR (1995-2011), persecutes and jails or fails to investigate the Murders of many dissident Journalists, still refuses to recognize the 1st Genocide in Modern History : that which was notoriously committed against Armenians, persists in its Military Occupation of the Northern part of EU Member Cyprus, usurpating Displaced persons' Homes/Properties and opposing even Turkish Cyriot dissidents who demonstrated recently in the territories of Cyprus occupied by Ankara's army, continues to threaten Greece with War over its revendications in the Aegean Sea, has already invaded, bombed and occupied Northern Iraq, and is a residu of the former Ottoman-Turc Empire which invaded, occupied and destroyed the former Arab Civilisation, (etc), ...obviously is NOT adequate for an operation destinated to bring, on the contrary, to the Arab World, real Democracy, Freedom, Development and respect of Human Rights....

+ Moreover, a Turkish Government, with a Prime Minister as Mr. Erdogan who recently received a .. "Human Rights" Prize awarded by ..Libyan Colonel Kaddafi on November 2010, and who has repeatedly launched Criticism against the Coalition of the Paris' Summit which launched the March 19 operation to help the revolted Libyan People vis a vis imminent violent Threats by colonel Kaddafi to be "finished in only 2 Days" ; who disagrees with EU Summit conclusions to launch a "call on Colonel Kadhafi to relinquish power immediately" ; and who has just insulted a Leader of that operation (without whom it wouldn't even exist) : France, by shamelessly declaring that NATO's role would be to "cut France off the circuit" (sic !), (etc), is obviously suspect to undermine the International Community's operation.     
 
 I.e., by a coincidence, precisely what happened, mutatis-mutandis, in the Afghanistant War since Turkey got involved (2004)... But much more Dangerous here, in front of EU's territory.
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2011, 01:52:13 AM »

If Turkey really interferes, ..... it will discredit and undermine the Libyan operation of EU/USA/Arab countries/UN, which was initially led under a banner calling to Help Libyan People against Military Threats and to liberate itself from Oppression :

-..a Turkish Government, with a Prime Minister as Mr. Erdogan who recently received a .. "Human Rights" Prize awarded by ..Libyan Colonel Kaddafi on November 2010, and who has repeatedly launched Criticism against the Coalition of the Paris' Summit which launched the March 19 operation to help the revolted Libyan People vis a vis imminent violent Threats by colonel Kaddafi to be "finished in only 2 Days" ; who disagrees with EU Summit conclusions to launch a "call on Colonel Kadhafi to relinquish power immediately" ; and who has just insulted a Leader of that operation (without whom it wouldn't even exist) : France, by shamelessly declaring that NATO's role would be to "cut France off the circuit" (sic !), (etc), is obviously suspect to undermine the International Community's operation.     
 
 I.e., by a coincidence, precisely what happened, mutatis-mutandis, in the Afghanistan War since Turkey got involved (2004)... But much more Dangerous here, in front of EU's territory.

>>> Here is the "Difference" (better : the GAP ! ) between Turkey (interferening, via NATO, since the 26th of March) and France (heading the Coalition also on Tactical issues, up to the 26th of March) :

(click on the Map to open it wider)

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2011, 10:36:31 PM »

Yeah, but there was, Today, at least one succesful, indepedent Strike, by French Airplanes against a Gaddafi regime's Tank, West of Misrata, apparently in order to protect the City notoriously submitted to deadly bombardments by Gaddafi's military, thanks to Rafale and Mirage D planes from France and Quatar, based at Nearby southern Greece (Creta) :

 I.e. precisely as Eurofora had reportedly suggested, earlier in Paris (at the Defence Ministry's Press Conf) and Brussels (speaking with President Sarkozy) EU Summit, (See relevant Newsreports), according to the Geopolitical characteristics of the Libyan area, obvious at any Mediterranean Map.

This fact might indicate that, despite NATO's "technical" help, (exploiited by Turkey in order to interfere), the Coalition of the EU/USA/Arab Countries which, together with the UNO, decided to act at the Paris' Summit, on March 19, still holds the "Political Direction" of the operation.


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L'armée française frappe un char libyen
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02/04/2011 | Mise à jour : 19:41 Réactions (3)

Les avions de combat français engagés au dessus de la Libye pour faire respecter la résolution 1973 de l'ONU ont procédé à une frappe aérienne sur un char des forces libyennes vendredi soir à l'ouest de Misrata, a annoncé aujourd'hui l'état-major des armées.

Quatre patrouilles de Rafale, Mirage 2000D et Super-étendard modernisés (SEM) ont effectué dans la soirée des missions d'appui et de reconnaissance. "Au cours d'une de ces missions, une frappe sur un char a été menée dans la région d'Al Khums, à l'ouest de Misrata", écrit l'état-major dans le compte-rendu des opérations.

Aujourd'hui, cinq patrouilles ont effectué des missions de reconnaissance dans la région de Ras Lanouf, au sud-ouest de Benghazi. Trois patrouilles conjointes composées de Mirage 2000D français et qataris, qui opèrent depuis la base de La Sude, en Crète, ont également conduit des missions d'interdiction aériennes, a-t-on précisé de même source.


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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2011, 08:21:57 AM »

Yeah, but ....

A (single) exception, which confirms the (general) rule, as the moto says...

In reality, the FACTS are crystal-clear :

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... Libyan rebels condemn NATO over Gaddafi advance
 Angus MacSwan - Reuters
6:42 p.m. EDT, April 5, 2011
BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - The head of Libya's rebel army has condemned NATO for its slow chain of command in ordering air strikes to protect civilians, saying the alliance was "letting the people of Misrata die every day."

The besieged city of Misrata, the only big population center in western Libya where a revolt against Gaddafi has not been crushed and which faces army tanks and snipers, is now the priority...
..."NATO blesses us every now and then with a bombardment here and there, and is letting the people of Misrata die every day,"
Abdel Fattah Younes, head of the rebel forces said in the eastern stronghold city of Benghazi.
"NATO has disappointed us."......

.... NATO took over from a coalition led by the United States, Britain and France on March 31, .....

... "Either NATO does its work properly or I will ask the (rebel) national council to raise the matter with the Security Council," Younes, a former interior minister in Gaddafi's administration who defected, told reporters.

"The reaction of NATO is very slow. One official calls another and then from the official to the head of NATO and from the head of NATO to the field commander. This takes eight hours," Younes said, adding:

"Misrata is being subjected to a full extermination." ....
http://www.herald-mail.com/news/sns-rt-international-us-libtre7270jp-20110308,0,5200356.story?track=rss   
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.... Libyan rebel leader says NATO isn't doing enough
AP/Nasser Nasser
Tuesday, April 5, 2011. .
By BEN HUBBARD and HADEEL AL-SHALCHI, Associated Press –
 
BENGHAZI, Libya – A rebel military leader lashed out at NATO Tuesday, saying it was falling short in its mission to protect Libyan civilians. ....

....Abdel-Fattah Younis, chief of staff for the rebel military and Gadhafi's former interior minister, said he was asking the opposition's leadership council to take their grievances to the U.N. Security Council, which authorized force in Libya to stop government troops from wiping out the anti-Gadhafi uprising that began Feb. 15.

NATO forces "don't do anything" even though the United Nations gave them the right to act, Younis said. He said bureaucracy means that NATO strikes sometimes come eight hours after rebels' have communicated targets.

"The people will die and this crime will be on the face of the international community forever. What is NATO doing?" Younis said.
NATO last week took control over the international airstrikes that began March 19....

....Younis, however, said civilians have cleared out of areas of Misrata occupied by Gadhafi's forces and that NATO "would have lifted the siege days ago" if it wanted to.

"Children are dying every day and women and men are dying every day from shelling. If NATO waited another week, that will be the end of Misrata. There won't be anyone left." ...
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.... "Those planes that circled last night didn't hit anything," rebel fighter Osama Abdullah said, suggesting the absence of air strikes was the result of NATO taking command of the coalition forces from France, the United States and Britain.
"(French President) Sarkozy is great, but NATO is not," he said.......
The rebel leadership .....said air strikes were still needed against Gaddafi's better-armed units. A friend ..... who gave his name as Youssef said: "We need weapons that can fight against the tanks and Grads (rockets) that Gaddafi has."...
Instead of helping, .. "NATO" bombs rebels !
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... A Western coalition ("NATO" !) air strike killed 13 rebels late on Friday near Brega's eastern gate. The rebel leadership called the bombing an unfortunate mistake ....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110403/ts_nm/us_libya_319
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....Gadhafi's forces were shelling Brega, another important oil city to the east.
A rebel soldier, Col. Abdullah Hadi, said he expected the loyalists to enter Brega by Wednesday night.

>>> "I ask NATO for just one aircraft to push them back. All we need is air cover and we could do this. They should be helping us," Hadi said. ....

 .... Dozens of civilians were seen heading north to Benghazi, and streets on the western side of Ajdabiya were deserted and silent.

>>> Among the rebels, the lack of air support was a common lament.
"We don't know why they're not here," said Moftah Mohammed, a 36-year-old rebel soldier.
"Our forces are mainly on the side of the main road. We've heard Gadhafi's forces are pushing deep into the desert" in an attempt to head off rebel forces. "We don't want to be stuck in the middle of that."
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... NATO is in the process of taking over control of the airstrikes, which began as a U.S.-led operation. Diplomats said they have given approval for the commander of the NATO operation, Canadian Gen. Charles Bouchard, to announce a handover on Thursday. ....
 http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/News/article.php?id=88513 
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...."AFP le 05/04/2011 à 23:23
Libye : les rebelles reculent, accusent l'Otan de "laisser mourir" Misrata

© AFP  Mahmud Hams

Le chef militaire des rebelles libyens a lancé mardi une attaque en règle contre l'Otan, l'accusant de "laisser mourir les habitants de Misrata" (ouest) sous les tirs des forces de Mouammar Kadhafi, qui ont également gagné du terrain dans l'Est, près de Brega.

"La presse internationale doit soutenir avec force le peuple de Misrata et appeler (à l'aide) l'Otan qui croit nous rendre service en bombardant ici et là alors qu'il laisse les habitants de Misrata mourir tous les jours", a déclaré le général Abdel Fattah Younés lors d'une conférence de presse dans le fief rebelle de Benghazi (est).

"Si l'Otan attend encore une semaine de plus, ce sera la fin de Misrata; nous ne trouverons plus personne là-bas", a ajouté le général, ancien ministre de l'Intérieur de Kadhafi qui s'est rallié à la rébellion en février.

Misrata, troisième ville du pays, est située à 214 km à l'est de la capitale Tripoli, bastion du régime Kadhafi. Depuis plus de 40 jours, les rebelles défendent sans relâche Misrata bombardée et assiégée par les forces loyalistes. Selon les rebelles, plus de 200 personnes ont péri dans les combats.

Selon le chef militaire rebelle, les habitants de Misrata sont désormais menacés "d'extermination au vrai sens du terme".

>>> "L'eau y est coupée, il n'y a plus d'électricité ou de produits alimentaires, il n'y pas plus de lait pour enfants depuis 40 jours, alors que les forces de Kadhafi bombardent tous les jours maisons, mosquées et hôpitaux à l'artillerie lourde (...). Les habitants boivent de l'eau des égouts".

"Si l'Otan voulait briser le blocus de la ville, il l'aurait fait depuis plusieurs jours", a-t-il poursuivi. "Tous les jours, des civils, vieillards et enfants meurent à Misrata. L'Otan n'a rien fait, il bombarde ici et là".

... accusations d'une virulence sans précédent ....
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 L'Otan avait pris le relais de la coalition multinationale le 31 mars dernier.
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http://www.boursorama.com/pratique/actu/detail_actu_flash.phtml?num=b6e662eab1e20b47f0a31db0bca38dcc
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 12:09:25 PM »

+ And, meanwhile, thee is even more :

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Up to the job? NATO criticized over Libya campaign
Posted: Apr 08, 2011 4:33 PM
Updated: Apr 09, 2011 1:17 AM

NATO's friendly fire in Libya causing tension
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By SLOBODAN LEKIC Associated Press

BRUSSELS (AP) - NATO holds its fire as Moammar Gadhafi's forces advance 100 miles into rebel territory. It then blasts a rebel tank, saying it didn't know the rebels had any - even though footage of rebels with tanks had been on YouTube for weeks.

NATO's leadership of the Libya campaign is coming under increasing criticism for mistakes and ineffectiveness. Nine difficult days of leading the air war have brought into sharp relief the confusion, ambiguity and constraints of the alliance's mission.

....... The NATO bombing of a rebel convoy on Thursday, in which five people died and at least one rebel tank was destroyed, appears to have crystalized the perception - to outsiders, at least - that the alliance is running a bumbling campaign.

.....Government forces pushed some 100 miles eastward from Gadhafi's hometown of Sirte past rebel forward positions at Bin Jawwad, pushing the rebels back to Ras Lanuf and later to Brega, where the front is now.

Further complicating the military campaign has been a lack of human spotters on the ground - CIA agents in Libya are said to be gathering intelligence on the organizational structure of the rebel movement, (!) rather than coordinating airstrikes - and no established network for NATO and the ragtag group of rebels to communicate.

But as the rebels angrily accused the alliance of mistakes and neglect, NATO's frustrated leaders refused to apologize Friday for the bombing of the tanks.
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Adding to NATO's woes, the U.S., which handed off its leadership role March 31, halted its combat role this week. That move is depriving NATO of certain kinds of aircraft that could prove useful in some of the close urban warfare battles between forces loyal to Gadhafi and rebels bent on his ouster.

NATO acknowledged Friday that its airstrikes had hit rebels using tanks to fight government forces in eastern Libya, saying it thought only Gadhafi regime forces had used heavy armored vehicles.

   Yet if NATO did not know, that seems extraordinary: Video and photos from the start of the uprising against Gadhafi's rule a month ago showed that some Libyan armored units had changed sides in the early stages of the rebellion, bringing their equipment with them.

On Friday, British Rear Adm. Russell Harding, deputy commander of the NATO operation, .... told reporters in Naples, Italy, where the alliance's operational center is located. "The situation on the ground was and remains extremely fluid, and until yesterday we did not have information that (rebel) forces are using tanks."

NATO's Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen expressed regret over the rebels' loss of life, but he too offered no apology.

Complicating matters further for NATO, ground fire over the Libyan battlefields remains a serious threat to any jet making low-level passes - a must for pilots trying to identify enemy forces in a fast-changing situation.

A U.S.-led coalition initially launched the air war on March 19. Although the first such strikes on Libyan targets quickly destroyed most of Gadhafi's fixed surface-to-air missile emplacements and the radars that control them, Gadhafi's forces are believed to have hundreds of automatic cannon and shoulder-launched rockets - including sophisticated Russian-built Iglas - that can easily down planes like A-10 Thunderbolts or AC-130 gunships at low altitudes.

NATO learned this the hard way during the 1999 war in Kosovo, where a number of its attack jets were struck by ground fire and had to make emergency landings at nearby alliance-held airports. Commanders then ordered the pilots not to descend lower than 5,000 meters (15,000 feet), keeping them outside the killing range of guns but drastically reducing the effectiveness of their bombing attacks on Serbian ground forces.

Now, NATO jets are again operating mainly at higher altitudes, where Iglas and Gadhafi's pickup-mounted 37mm and 20mm guns cannot reach them.

Harding said Friday that NATO jets had conducted 318 sorties and struck 23 targets across Libya in the past 48 hours. They have flown over 1,500 sorties since assuming overall command.

The jets have destroyed Gadhafi's anti-aircraft missile defenses, T-72 tanks and ammunition dumps, Harding said. The NATO attacks have also targeted Gadhafi's loyalist forces in the besieged city of Misrata, where rebels continue to hold out.

But critics have questioned NATO's limited mandate of only protecting civilians directly threatened by Gadhafi's troops, rather than trying to eliminate the threat completely by destroying the strongman's regime.

"By not striking at the regime from the outset, Gadhafi was granted the initiative to embed his forces in urban settings hiding behind human shields in a form of guerrilla warfare," said Barack Seneer, a Middle East expert at the Royal United Services Institute, a British military think tank.

"A no-fly zone is not equipped to contend with guerrilla warfare or with a stalemate that places rebels and loyalists at close proximity with one another," he said.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said NATO is flying about the same number of combat missions in Libya as when the U.S. was part of the strike mission - so it should be no surprise that they provide only limited help to the Libyan rebels.

"With not having our own people on the ground, without having forward air controllers and observers and so on, and with the pilots trying to go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties, obviously it becomes more difficult to support ground operation," Gates told reporters in Mosul, in northern Iraq.

Gates also said Gadhafi's forces are using more civilian vehicles and clothing to blend in with rebel forces, making it even more complicated for NATO's combat pilots to distinguish friend from foe.

Analysts suggest that neither side in Libya can deliver a decisive blow against the other anymore, and say the war has turned into a stalemate that could last for many months.

"The initial military operation achieved its objective of preventing a massacre of rebels and civilians in Benghazi," Chalmers said. "But NATO inherited a much messier situation, and we are now entering a period in which politics and not the military will have to play a leading role."

___

Associated Press writers Don Melvin in Brussels, Robert Burns in Mosul, and Danica Kirka in London contributed to this report....
http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14409679 
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08/04/2011  ... l'Otan .... a... exprimé ses "regrets" après la mort de rebelles dans des frappes fratricides.

 
AFP - .....

.....vendredi, le contre-amiral britannique Russell Harding, commandant adjoint de l'opération Protecteur unifié dirigée par l'Otan, .....a reconnu que les aviateurs alliés avaient bombardé par erreur la veille près de Brega des chars appartenant aux rebelles libyens.
             
......"Nous n'étions pas informés (du fait) que les forces du CNT (Conseil national de transition) faisaient usage de chars", avait-il argué.
             
Plus diplomatiquement, le secrétaire général de l'Otan Anders Fogh Rasmussen a ensuite qualifié l'"incident" de "très malheureux". "Je regrette vivement les morts" qu'il a entraînées, a-t-il déclaré.
             
Selon diverses sources, le bombardement a tué deux soldats dans les rangs des rebelles et un ou deux médecins, outre 14 blessés et six disparus.
             
C'était la deuxième fois que l'Otan frappait ainsi des rebelles depuis qu'elle a pris le 31 mars le relais de la coalition multinationale commandée par les Etats-Unis.
             
Le 1er avril, un de ses avions, se croyant attaqué, avait fait feu sur une colonne de voitures, .....

http://www.france24.com/fr/20110408-otan-ecarte-idee-enlisement-regrette-mort-rebelles-libye   
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2011, 12:11:21 PM »

=> Resullting into even worse :

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Heavy fighting breaks out in Misrata

09 Apr 2011 - 07:23am
 

Heavy fighting broke out in the besieged Libyan town of Misrata on Friday, with four civilians killed, as loyalist forces sought to dislodge rebels, insurgent sources and an AFP correspondent said.

The fighting in Misrata came hours after government forces shelled the edge of Ajdabiya, further to the east, forcing insurgents to retreat, and as a debate raged over how well NATO air forces are enforcing a UN-mandated no-fly zone.

'There is an intense exchange of fire with light arms, rockets and heavy artillery between the rebels and the regime's army,' said the correspondent, who was among a group of journalists brought to Misrata by Libyan authorities.

The correspondent said they were about 5km into the town that extends about 30km along the Mediterranean coast.

.......

Meanwhile, a source in the insurgent stronghold of Benghazi said four people, including two children, had been killed in Misrata and 10 others wounded.

'Gaddafi forces continue to fire blindly on the houses of Misrata,' the rebel source said. 'Today, four martyrs fell, including two children under age four.

'They died in their homes while, paradoxically, we have not had any victims at the front,' he said, adding that one person had been killed and 24 wounded on Thursday.

The source said that, 'at dawn, loyalists began firing rockets and tank shells on the city, after which there was fierce fighting on the coastal road'.

He repeated criticism of NATO air forces, who are enforcing a UN-mandated no-fly zone over Libya to protect civilians, saying 'civilians are being killed in Misrata'.


'We want France to take command of the operations in Misrata,' he said.
 
'France must take the initiative (because) its forces are much more effective than those of NATO.'


Earlier, rebels in Misrata criticised NATO for what they said was its lack of response to a relentless pounding by Gaddafi forces for more than a month.

'We have officially informed NATO and have assumed responsibility for any presence of civilians, but they have not acted so far,' a spokesman told AFP.

Misrata, about 215km east of Tripoli, has seen fighting for more than 40 days since the start of the uprising against Gaddafi. Doctors said last week that 200 people had been killed there since the fighting began.


NATO was already under criticism by the opposition after its warplanes hit rebel tanks on Thursday near the oil town of Brega, killing four people, wounding 14 and leaving six others missing.

In Ajdabiya, hundreds of kilometres to the east, rebels had regrouped on Friday morning after many of them and residents of the town had fled a day earlier. They tried to push westward towards Brega but were forced back by loyalist shelling.


NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Friday called the bombing an 'unfortunate incident'.

'I strongly regret the loss of life,' Rasmussen said of the strike, labelled by rebel military commander General Abdelfatah Yunis as a NATO 'error'.

The operation's deputy commander, British Rear Admiral Russell Harding, refused to apologise, saying the alliance was unaware rebels were using tanks and that it was becoming hard to distinguish between the two sides on the road.

The rebels said they were 'not seeking an apology but an explanation'.

.......

Yunis insisted on Thursday night that the rebels had told NATO they were moving T-55 and T-72 heavy tanks from Benghazi to Brega.

A source close to key Western envoys in Benghazi who are in regular contact with the opposition Transitional National Council said 'the problem is there are no official direct links' between the rebel military leadership and NATO.

The source said communications equipment was due in Benghazi on Friday to give the rebels a link to a European capital, and that messages to NATO could be passed through that channel as an interim measure.


In Benghazi, around 400 protesters chanted 'Down with NATO' in reaction to the Brega bombing.

'NATO is not very effective. Why didn't it attack Gaddafi's forces? Why did it hit our freedom fighters?' asked one demonstrator, Anwar Mali, 25.


'Obama, thanks. Juppe, thanks. Sarkozy, thanks,' said a 55-year-old protester, Neima al-Misrati, intimating that US leader Barack Obama and France's President Nicolas Sarkozy and Foreign Minister Alain Juppe were more active in the rebels' cause than NATO.

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Washington on Friday hit Libya's premier and its oil and finance ministers with sanctions, in a fresh bid to fracture Kadhafi's inner circle.

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/World/2011/04/09/3/Heavy_fighting_breaks_out_in_Misrata_599209.html 


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Rebels repel assault on Misrata, five dead

Barack Obama Video:'Historic' deal to avoid government shutdown AP

By Maria Golovnina – Fri Apr 8, 6:25 pm ET

TRIPOLI (Reuters) – ... The confusion on the desert battlefield has caused friendly fire incidents, increasing anger among the rebels, who said they lost five men on Thursday when NATO planes bombed a column of 20 tanks brought out of storage to bolster the eastern front.

It was the second time in less than a week that rebels had blamed NATO for bombing their comrades by mistake after 13 were killed in an air strike not far from the same spot on Saturday.

Misrata, Libya's third city, rose up with other towns against Gaddafi in mid-February and has been under siege for weeks after a crackdown put an end to most protests in the west.

Rebels say people in Misrata are crammed five families to a house in the few safe districts, to escape weeks of sniper, mortar and rocket fire. There are severe shortages of food, water and medical supplies and hospitals are overflowing. ....

ttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110408/wl_nm/us_libya;_ylt ...

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 12:50:26 AM »

Suspect provocation of another NATO Blunder ?

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The circumstances surrounding the latest alleged NATO blunder   - an explosion reportedly killing Colonel Kadhafi's 6th Son, kids, etc. named "Saif" (i.e. "Knife" or "Sword") in a luxurious House -  appear very Suspect, possibly covering a grosse Provocation and/or attempt to Manipulate Public Opinion, as various converging Facts clearly indicate :

- NATO, (where Turkey exceptionaly participates, as a Cold War remnant);  has notoriously being criticized by the Opposition in Libya to drag its feet and delay help to the Rebels, while it has even hit and killed several of them, instead of fighting against Colonel Kadhafi's Military, in repeated Blunders, since it took over (on the 31st of March) from the 19 March Coalition, initially led by France, which gave up afterwards the "Technical" guidance to NATO.

- In charge to respond for the incident was a Non-European NATO Official, from the North American continent (Canada, Bouchard).

- By an extreme "coincidence", the Day chosen to provoke another alleged NATO Blunder was the same Date for an exceptionally large Christian Heads of State/Government gathering, at a large Public event in Rome, from all over the World : The Beatification of late Christian catholic Pope John-Paul II.

- The attempt to exploit/manipulate this (eventually provoked) event became obvious when some reportedly incited the catholic Bishop of Tripoli to "call" an Italian TV Media asking to "stop Bombing" in Libya in general, (NDLR : unclear if he meant also to abandon Dissident Populations Helpless even when brutally attacked by Deadlu Military Fire from Colonel Kadhafi's army)..

-  Kadhafi's 6th son "had spent much of his time in Germany in recent years", without concluding his studies, and had, therefore, several Turkish links, which should normally be, more easily than others, aware of his habits and whereabouts.

- While the UK, France, U.S., Italy, Germany and other Countries' Embassies already had to empty their buildings in Tripoli from any staff, fearing brutal Aggressions, on the contrary, Turkey's embassy remained open there.

- As manager of Libya's "Human Rights Foundation", he was obviously well placed in order to know why the  "Kadhafi Prize on Human Rights" had been awarded, at the end of November 2010, to Mr. ... Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey,  notorious for its serious and numerous Violations of Human Rights, for which Ankara's authorities are regularly condemned by the ECHR.

- The 1st Photographer to sell to A"F"P, as early as since 5 a.m. in the Morning, the initial Photos from the alleged NATO bombing, was named ... "Mahmud TURKIA" (sic !)...

- Subsequent Videos, made a long time later by other Media, curiously picture an alleged NATO Bomb which had not exploded at all, but had quiety landed .. intact inside a building, covered only by a thick layer of Dust (or Sand ?) which hidded all its ID inscriptions.

- Meanwhile, that claim served as a pretext for Colonel Kadhafi's Military to re-start Bombing the Martyr-City Misurata, attacking towards its Sea-Port (the only link to the World), and making, reportedly, many Wounded and Killed among the local population.
(etc).

Similar relevant Facts could be multiplied, but I think that's enough ....  Everybody would have easily guessed who profits from the exploitation of such provoked incidents, and who might have had an interest to provoke that, right now.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 07:38:06 PM »

Suspect provocation of another NATO Blunder ?

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The circumstances surrounding the latest alleged NATO blunder   - an explosion reportedly killing Colonel Kadhafi's 6th Son, kids, etc. named "Saif" (i.e. "Knife" or "Sword") in a luxurious House -  appear very Suspect, possibly covering a grosse Provocation and/or attempt to Manipulate Public Opinion, as various converging Facts clearly indicate : .  (..../...) .....

Similar relevant Facts could be multiplied, but I think that's enough ....  Everybody would have easily guessed who profits from the exploitation of such provoked incidents, and who might have had an interest to provoke that, right now.


F.ex., also by practically overshadowing, in Mass Media, the Killings going-on, at the same time, in Syria ?....

See : http://www.eurofora.net/forum/index.php/topic,474.msg571.html#msg571
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